Re: Germanic weak verbs and **do**

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 1906
Date: 2000-03-20

Piotr:
> Of course if you cut it up pedantically into smaller bits, it's a
> >"presentive" suffix *-j- plus the thematic vowel *-e/o- (it's an
> >entirely different question whether such a synchronic analysis >reflects
>the historical origin or *-je/o-!).

Which *-ye-/*-yo- are you talking about? I'm not talking about the IE
relative pronoun which has a good Nostratic etymology to a form *ya. In
relation to verbs, you say that the present *-y- is common in Anatolian and
everywhere else in IE, but... Are you refering to the examples you gave
before in regards to the verbalization of _noun_ stems such as *nomn or is
there a present affix *-y(e/o) being used for _verbs_ as well such as,
say... something like **bher-y-eti?

>There are other similar cases, like *-sk-e/o- or *-ej-e/o- (as in
> >causatives). All these suffixes form THEMATIC verb stems, but >"thematic"
>means little more than 'ending in *-e/o-'. IEsts often >ignore the internal
>hyphens.

Oy veh, I KNOW already. Enough with the thematic *-e/o- lecture. :P
If you bothered to visit my site (boohoo, sob), you'd notice that I also
explain the thematic vowel as being an archaic 3rd person in *-e that had
generalized throughout the conjugation before the 3rd person became *-e-to
(later *-et due to loss of final vowel). The irregular non-thematic verbs
such as *weid- "to know" or *ed- "to eat", I conclude, must be verbs
borrowed after this generalization.

> Both *-j-e- and *-sk-e- are common in Anatolian (and everywhere >in IE),
>so they must be regarded as "Indo-Anatolian" under any >definition of the
>term.

Of course they are old and perhaps *-sk- is somehow related to an old
perfective in *-k-. Food for thought.

- gLeN

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