Re: sorok

Usually this phenomenon, *kIrk or kirk (front vowel, like in today's
Turkish, and we are not sure about the turkic dialect this was borrowed
from)>Eastern Slavic (not only Russian, but Ukrainian and partly
Byelorussian as well) *sUrkU>sorok is explained as dissimilation k-k>s-k
(Ur>oro to be very common in Eastern Slavic, cf. molonja<mUlnIji etc), cf.
sobaka 'dog'<(turkic)koEbaEk (here oE, aE for 'o,a umlaut') and karasI 'kind
of fish'<(Tatar. etc)kaEraEkaE, but the problem is not considered solved at
the moment.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Piotr Gasiorowski [mailto:gpiotr@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:30 AM
> To: cybalist@eGroups.com
> Subject: [cybalist] Re: sorok
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> "guillaume jacques" <xian-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/cybalist/?start=1828
> > Anybody has an idea why turkic kIrk "fourty" was loaned as sorok into
> > russian - I mean, the svabhakti vowel is normal, but what about the
> > palatalisation of the initial an why an s- ? I supposed it is due to
> > the second palatalisation, but in this case the turkic form should
> have
> > been xIrk , and not kIrk. Does anybody know a turkic language where
> > this k- is palatalised (it is surprising in front of a back vowel) ?
> > Any other explanation for the russian form (are there other slavonic
> > languages that dropped the old word for fourty ?).
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
>
> Actually, the second palatalisation would have given Slavic c [ts], as
> in cerkov' < *cIrIky 'church' < *kiriko: (here *I = the palatal yer =
> reduced [i], and y = Turkic back /I/, roughly) or in cena 'price' <
> *kE:na: < *kaina: < *kWoina:. Turkic *kIrk would have given Russian
> *!*kork- (or *!*cerk- in the very unlikely event of a front yer being
> substituted for the Turkic back vowel). This is all I can say at the
> moment, but I'll do my best to find out more about sorok later on.
>
> Piotr
>
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