Re: Afro-Asiatic

Glen asked about my three waves hypothesis

> There is a great site (forget where, I should check my bookmarks)

that shows

> climatic changes from previous ice ages to present. It shows Anatolia

as

> being cold and pretty much barren during approx. 15,000 BCE if I

remember,

> but I couldn't get myself to accept anywhere other than the Middle

East as

> the origin. It seemed lopsided to consider Africa as the origin but

perhaps

> you're right. Sigh.

Yes, I have the URL if you want it... It is a good site.

John

> >Thus the first wave out of Africa moved East, into Sundaland (also
> >tropical as the Indian Biome Realm had most similarity to the African
> >one).

Glen

> Interesting. What about north into Anatolia? Any movement? Just a

casual

> thought.

Sorry mate. At this time Neanderthal's were firmly in control for all
sites north of the Carmel Cave in Palestine (and frequently were in
control even south of that). H.sapiens only moved north from Palestine
in the second wave circa 40,000 BCE.

> >The second wave came out of Africa, couldn't move East (as it was
> >already occupied by hunter gatherers), and moved North onto the
> >Eurasian Steppe (your Dene Caucasians). This group is the
>Aurignacian and
> >Gravetian cultures that introduced sophisticated >cultures into the

area of

> >Neaderthals.
>
> The Eurasian Steppe was eventually occupied by SinoDene. The far east

was

> occupied by MacroAsiatic dialects, precursors to Austronesian, Tai,
> Australian, Amerind, etc. What about Anatolia and Fertile Crescent??

Unless

> this was the early homeland of BuruYen? What is the date of the

Aurignacian

> and Gravetian cultures in the steppes?

Guess what Glen

Aurignacian 40,000 - 35,000 BCE
Gravetian 30,000 - 25,000 BCE

Interesting eh!

> >The third wave came out of Africa with the warming of climates. They
> >had cultures pre-adapted to warmer climates, and followed their
> >climates northward. These were the Nostratics.
>
> Interesting stuff. Well, they would be Nostratics minus the

AfroAsiatic

> languages.

Yup, you got it.

> >No need to be scared Glen. It makes logical sense because it is
> >thoroughly confimed, not just by linguistic evidence (which you have
>so
> >thoroughly provided), but also by (sigh) genetic and cultural
>evidence
> >too. As I keep saying, languages tend to move when people >move too.
>
> You are right in talking about "tendency" but we can't expect fine

detail to

> be wrought out of genetic analysis void of linguistic analysis. Can

we find

> a happy medium where a connection between Ainu and Japanese can be

thrown

> away on linguistic grounds, but the origin of Nostratic in Africa can

be

> supported on archaeological/genetic grounds?

Yup again. Mesolithic-late Paleolithic Helwan in Egypt was 15,000 BCE,
a nice date for Nostratics. Capsian in North Africa was a little
later, (10,000 BCE, could have been Berber). Ibero-Maurasian (a
Capsian derivative) moved into Spain from 10,000 - 8,500 BCE. Could
your Semitish really have been Berberish?
Kebaran in Israel was 12,000 BCE and developed into Natufian from
10,000 BCE. Zarzian in the Zagros was 12,000 BCE developing into a
string of cultures (could have been Elamite/Dravidian) with Pontic
Tardenosian moving from the Bankans from 10,000 - 8,500 BCE into the
Eurasian forest zone. Is this too late for your Eurasiatic group Glen?

Any help?

Regards

John