Re: IE, Uralic, SinoTibetan and incompetent sources

Thank you for the scheme, John. Unfortunately I can't see it in the proper way
even in the reply mode. Could you please send it again in the HTML format.

Could you also point the positions where you had to modify the Cavalli-Sforza
scheme with some comments.
I have only a Cavalli-Sforza tree published in 1992. Are there more recent
variants available on-line?

Alexander

----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft <jdcroft@...>
To: <cybalist@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 7:55 AM
Subject: [cybalist] Re: IE, Uralic, SinoTibetan and incompetent sources


> Alexander
>
> Thanks for the reply to the post
> > > I know the genetic evidence shows two human movements out of Africa.
> > > One very early one was kept out of the upper Middle East by the
> > > presence of the Neanderthaloids. They probably moved along the
> Arabian
> > > litorial into India and South East Asia by 90,000 years BP. The
> > > widespread AN-AustroAsiatic-Daic group, Papuan and Australian
> languages
> > > probably all come from this family, but separated so long ago that
> they
> > > show no connections today. Then 40,000 years ago the Aurignancian
> (and
> > > later the Gravetian) cultural people, moving from the Middle East
> into
> > > Ice Age Eurasia carried the Nostratic languages out of Africa.
> >
> > "40,000 years ago" and "Nostratic languages" are hardly compatible
> things,
> > are not they?
> >
> > >
> > > On genetic grounds, these two waves seem to have more in common with
> > > the Capoid/Cushitic group rather than the Pigmoid, West African
> > > Niger-Kordofanian or the Nilo-Saharan. On genetic grounds these
> seem
> > > to have separated from the human genome earlier than either of the
> > > other two waves.
>
> I tend to follow a modified Carvalli-Sforza model as follows
>
>
> Ancestral
> Homo sapiens
> (130,000 BP)
> Proto World
> |
> -------------------------------------------
> | |
> African |
> --------- The two waves out of Africa
>
> | | ------------------------------
> | ------- | South East Asian
> ----- | | | 90,000 BP
> | | | | | ------------
> | | | | Aurignacian-Gravetian | |
> | | | | North Eurasian | 60,000
> BP
> | | | | SCAN people |
> ------
> | | | | 40,000 BP |
> Australoids
> | | | | ------------------------ | |
> |
> | | | | Nostratic Dene Cauc. North East | |
> |
> | | | | | ------ | Austric |
> |
> | | | | | | | | -------- | |
> |
> | | | | ----------- | | | Arctic | | |
> |
> | | | | | | | | | ------ Amerind | |
> |
> | | | | | ------ | | | | | ---- | |
> |
> | | | | ------ | | | | | | | | | 10,000 |
> |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | BP |
> |
> | | | | | | ----- | | | | | --- | | --------- |
> |
> | | | ----- | --- | | | | | | --- | | | | | | |
> |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------- | |
> |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --- | | | | | | |
> |
> | | | --- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 5,000
> BP
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |
> | X X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> |
> A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 1
> 2
>
> A = Khoisan
> B = Puntite Ethiopian? (replaced by Afro-Asiatic (Cushitic))
> C = Mbuti Pygmy? (replaced by Bantu)
> D = Khordofanian-Adamawan
> E = Niger Congo
> F = Nilo Saharan
> G = Altaic
> H = Uralo-Yaghir
> I = Indo-European
> J = Japethic-Kartvelian (first farmers in Middle East)
> K = Dravidian
> L = Afro Asiatic
> M = Vasconian/Caucasian?
> N = Sino Tibetan
> O = Na-Dene
> P = Korean
> Q = Japanese
> R = Evenki
> S = Chukchi
> T = Innuit
> U = North American
> V = South American
> W = Daic (Tai-Kadai)
> X = Hmong Mien
> Y = Austroasiatic
> Y = Austronesian
> Z = New Guinea Highlander (Macro-Papuan)
> 1 = Macro-Australian
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John
>
>
>
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