Re: IE, Uralic, SinoTibetan and incompetent sources

From: John Croft
Message: 1199
Date: 2000-01-28

Alexander

Thanks for the reply to the post
> > I know the genetic evidence shows two human movements out of Africa.
> > One very early one was kept out of the upper Middle East by the
> > presence of the Neanderthaloids. They probably moved along the
Arabian
> > litorial into India and South East Asia by 90,000 years BP. The
> > widespread AN-AustroAsiatic-Daic group, Papuan and Australian
languages
> > probably all come from this family, but separated so long ago that
they
> > show no connections today. Then 40,000 years ago the Aurignancian
(and
> > later the Gravetian) cultural people, moving from the Middle East
into
> > Ice Age Eurasia carried the Nostratic languages out of Africa.
>
> "40,000 years ago" and "Nostratic languages" are hardly compatible
things,
> are not they?
>
> >
> > On genetic grounds, these two waves seem to have more in common with
> > the Capoid/Cushitic group rather than the Pigmoid, West African
> > Niger-Kordofanian or the Nilo-Saharan. On genetic grounds these
seem
> > to have separated from the human genome earlier than either of the
> > other two waves.

I tend to follow a modified Carvalli-Sforza model as follows


Ancestral
Homo sapiens
(130,000 BP)
Proto World
|
-------------------------------------------
| |
African |
--------- The two waves out of Africa

| | ------------------------------
| ------- | South East Asian
----- | | | 90,000 BP
| | | | | ------------
| | | | Aurignacian-Gravetian | |
| | | | North Eurasian | 60,000
BP
| | | | SCAN people |
------
| | | | 40,000 BP |
Australoids
| | | | ------------------------ | |
|
| | | | Nostratic Dene Cauc. North East | |
|
| | | | | ------ | Austric |
|
| | | | | | | | -------- | |
|
| | | | ----------- | | | Arctic | | |
|
| | | | | | | | | ------ Amerind | |
|
| | | | | ------ | | | | | ---- | |
|
| | | | ------ | | | | | | | | | 10,000 |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | BP |
|
| | | | | | ----- | | | | | --- | | --------- |
|
| | | ----- | --- | | | | | | --- | | | | | | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------- | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --- | | | | | | |
|
| | | --- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 5,000
BP
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|
| X X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
|
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 1
2

A = Khoisan
B = Puntite Ethiopian? (replaced by Afro-Asiatic (Cushitic))
C = Mbuti Pygmy? (replaced by Bantu)
D = Khordofanian-Adamawan
E = Niger Congo
F = Nilo Saharan
G = Altaic
H = Uralo-Yaghir
I = Indo-European
J = Japethic-Kartvelian (first farmers in Middle East)
K = Dravidian
L = Afro Asiatic
M = Vasconian/Caucasian?
N = Sino Tibetan
O = Na-Dene
P = Korean
Q = Japanese
R = Evenki
S = Chukchi
T = Innuit
U = North American
V = South American
W = Daic (Tai-Kadai)
X = Hmong Mien
Y = Austroasiatic
Y = Austronesian
Z = New Guinea Highlander (Macro-Papuan)
1 = Macro-Australian

Hope this helps

John