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I hope that the information on East Germanic languages from letters I received a couple months ago can be of interest for the list members as we discuss the content of the Germanic group.

Alexander

<<Noted that you under East Germanic languages only listed Gothic.

There are remnants of several other East Germanic languages:

Vandalic (several hundred words)

Burgundian (also several hundred words on monuments)

Gepidic (mainly personal names)

Erulic (mainly personal names)

Langobardic (or Lombard; with quite arich personal name treasure)

Rugian (mainly personal names)

One can also argue if there is not a Visigothic and an Ostrogothic language.>>

----- Original Message -----
From: Bertil Häggman

To: Alexander Stolbov

Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 11:40 PM

Subject: SV: SIEM

Dear Dr Stolbov,

Thank you for your swift answer. The other East Germanic languages have

a history similar to the Gothic. The Goti (I am here using the Latin

names of the different peoples) migrated around between 200 and

100 BC most possibly from the South Swedish region of Goetaland to the

Vistula delta in Poland and from there to the Black Sea. The Vandali migrated most

likely from North Jutland, Denmark, the Rugi from Rogaland in western

Norway (compare the name of the island of Ruegen off the North German coast),

the Burgundi from the Danish island of Bornholm (Burgundarholm), the Eruli from

Denmark, the Gepidi with the Goths, and finally the Langobardi from the south

Swedish province of Scania (named Scadanan, the origin of the name Scandinavia,

in the the oldest Langobardi sources).

Of the peoples mentioned above the Langobardi/Lombards lasted longest

and were subjugated by the rising Franks, having established a kingdom

in northern Italy (still called Lombardy after them). The Vandals established a

kingdom in North Africa (centered on Old Carthage) and were vanquished

by the Byzantine Empire. Their name is still to be found in the regional

name (V)Andalusia in Spain because the Vandals crossed to Africa

from southern Spain. All these peoples from time to time established

kingdoms in Europe during the Great Migration Era.

Very often only the Goths are remembered and the other peoples forgotten,

when making a list of East Germanic languages.

Gothic is mentioned under Germanic as an East Germanic Language on a list

of Indo-European languages available under SIEM.

Also don't forget the Crimean Goths.

Yes, please forward my mails to Dr. Babaev. I find SIEM very interesting

and useful and do myself believe in the Pontic-Caspian homeland

of the Indo-Europeans. Professor Mallory is one of my favourites and

I recently received a copy of his monumental _Encyclopedia of

Indo-European Culture_ (1997). My congratulations also on the

fine mapwork on SIEM.

Sincerely yours

Bertil Haggman