Re: Prehistoric Ethnogenic Processes

Marc Verhaegen wrote:

> How come the first level does not have "day" or "man"?

I don't want to dispute with you about concret word. I am working with
groups of words. I can send you the whole my list of common Nostranic
words. But about "day" I can say further.
1. Illich-Svitych or I could omit this word.
2. The sense of this word can be changed to "light", "morning" etc.
3. The IE word for "day" can be developed from "light", "sun" etc.

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> >> 2) Do you suppose Uralic, IE, Altaic, Sem-Ham., Kartvelian & Dravidian
> all split at the same moment? or do you only suggest these peoples were in
> close contact at some time?
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> > I think that Uralic, IE, Altaic, Sem-Ham., Kartvelian & Dravidian were
> splitting from the common languages during certain long time when speakers
> of these languages were living on the same territory with geographic
> borders. But separate groups of these speakers could leave this territory in
> different time.
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> Earlier leaving would confuse the geographical implications, wouldn't it? If
> the IEs left earlier, it would seem as if they had lived farther away (less
> words in common with the other languages), don't you think? Perhaps the 6
> groups split a lot earlier, were perhaps not even in close contact, but
> learnt to know only each other's goods (cows, technologies, barley, wool,
> cords etc.) & terms for these goods?

One can think about the time of splitting so and so. I am sure only in
the graphic model of relationship of Nostratic languages. I can say
that IEs left their origin earlier as Altaic and Uralic people. No more.

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> >>(Is your Sem-Ham. is only a small part of Afro-Asiatic?)
>
> >I took prepared data of Illich-Svitych.
>
> Then you use it as a synomym of A-A?

Illich Svitych used term "Semitic-Hamitic". I follow after him.

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> >> Before I had read your "Introduction" I had thought that the early IEs
> had borrowed agricultural terms form Sem-Ham.
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> >Yes, you have right. A some branch of Sem-Ham come through Anatoly and
> Balkans to South Ukraine and founded here Tripolje culture. They had a
> contact with IEs here.
>
> Do you have evidence for that?

Yes, I have. I have lexical correspondences between modern Jewish and
modern Chuvash. The Old Chuvaches (Bulharians) lived near IE tribes and
Tripolje culture bearers.

(It's believed that there has been a giant

> flood coming from the Meditteranean that opened the Bosporus & filled the
> Black Sea Basin (in the 5th millennium or so --I don't recall it well, but I
> believe Mark may know). Before that date there was no Black Sea at all.)

It is known among areaelogists that Tripolje culture come to the right
banks of the river Dniepr from Balcans ("Cucuteni culture"). It was at
the end of IV millenium or at the beginn of III millenium B.C.

> >> 4) Greek & Germanic are in the centre of your IE homeland. Could this be
> due (only?) to the fact that these languages had the largest number of words
> used in your analysis? Is this a "real" homeland, or were these IE languages
> only in close contact at that time?

I can say some more to that. Special features of the graphi-analytical
method are so that we can remove one or two languges from the model
without breach of its structure.
Sorry I have no time now.
I will answer later.
Valentyn.

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