Fwd: Odp: Bell Beakers in the Ukraine? and Germanic loanwords in

Begin forwarded message:

About Ukraine and PIE: could anyone help me in understanfing why a key
factor as the Tripolyie cities (Tauropolis & Co?) is still remaining
out from the general debate on PIE. Should I be informed about
something I still don't know?
Do you have suggestions about articles or congress papers on this
matter?
Shouldn't it be of enormous impact on IE studies, specially when
considering the M. Gymbutas theories?
Thank you for any help and, please, forgive this first attempt of
participation of a newcomer, if it may look a bit naif
best regards to all participants and compliments to Cyril & Co. for the
site
Pietro Giurickovic

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Stolbov
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:27 PM
Subject: [cybalist] Bell Beakers in the Ukraine? and Germanic
loanwords in Finno-Ugric


Dear Piotr,

I have 2 particular questions to your message (fragments of interest
are made Bold):
-- Original Message -----
From: Piotr G±siorowski
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:57 PM
Subject: [cybalist] Odp: proto-Indo-European geography.

[4] It all depends on your chronology. If you mean Bronze Age
Proto-Germani or Proto-Balto-Slavs, I'd say it's highly unlikely that
they lived in splendid isolation. The first really indigenous neolithic
culture of Northern Europe, the Funnel Beakers, already covered much of
the region, including almost all of modern Poland. The same is true of
the later Globular Amphorae; and the Corded Ware complex extended from
the Volga to Scandinavia and the Rhine. This testifies to the existence
of trading networks and lively contacts even before the advent of the
bronze axe. The Bell Beakers of the Bronze Age are found from Iberia to
the Ukraine.{1} The languages of Northern Europe (Germanic, Baltic and
Slavic) share a lot of vocabulary and display other similarities which
are apparently due to areal convergence. There are numerous early
loanwords from Iranian in Slavic, from Slavic in Baltic, from Germanic
in both, and from Iranian, Baltic and Germanic in Finno-Ugric.{2} The
so-called Old European hydronymy is also remarkably uniform. The North
European Plain must have been, in some sense, a single cultural area.
{1} Is it really so, not a mistyping?! Could you point Bell Beakers'
settlements or burials on the territory to the East from Hungary? What
is age of them?

{2} I'm very interested in information concerning contacts of
Finno-Ugric and IE (particularly Germanic) people.

It is possible to divide Finno-Ugric languages into 5 geografical
(and apparently genealogical of different rank) subgroups:
(1) Ugric, (2) Permic, (3) Volga, (4) Balto-Finnic and (5) Laponic
subbranches.
In which of them can be found Germanic loanwords? I believe it is
possible to state when it happened (Eneolithic, Early Bronze, Late
Bronze, Iron Age, Viking time or later). Which of Germanic languages
(Proto-Germanic, East-Germanic, Hochdeutsch, Africaans etc.) were the
sources?

Thank you in advance,

Alexander