Re: Odp: Odp: girls
From: Ivanovas/Milatos
Message: 70
Date: 1999-10-12
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thank you for the explicit answer, Pjotr, I
suspected something like this. So the Iyaya would be something like 'the
(female) making one' and not put together from two same parts. The first one
would be the 'making', followed by the female suffix. I wondered only, if the
'making' part (which is, in a certain way similar to 'birthing') might be
somehow connected with the female typical ending.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I knew they called Hyoscyamos 'sow-bean', the
poison it contains can even actually produce animal visions. The point is only:
the plant has no connection whatsoever with beans (the seeds are tiny as poppy
seeds), so my question came about if the whole name may have been changed by
Greek speakers from something remotely similar they couldn't pronounce, by this
including the folk-etymology into the word. There is a nice example for this
kind of process for another ancient Anatolian plant name: terebinthos, the
terebinth tree, is in modern Crete called 'antrami(/y)thia', probably via an -
unintelligible - 'tramithia' and then an added 'a' to develop a meaning like
'man myth tree'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I am quite certain that I'll soon be able to
prove mythologically the connection between Hyakinthos, the old Minoan god, a
youth who had to die to illustrate a part of the cycle of fertility (the time
when the connected flower, nowadays called iris cretica, wilts away in few days
because the heat of the sun - Apollo's 'star' - turns summer-hot) and one of the
main figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries, Iakchos. Folk etymologically his
name was understood as illustrating the cries of sorrow for the dying youth, a
strange connection with Hyakinthos, supposed to have the name - folk etymology
again - for the same cry of sorrow written on the petals of the flower (with a
little phantasy you could see the two letters there...). And then there is the
strange fact that henbane was an Apollo-flower and might well have been used to
induce trances in the old times (as other poisonous nightshade plants,
belladonna, stramonium, mandragora etc.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What do you think of these
coincidences?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sabine</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>