Re: References to chanting, pronunciation, etc., in the Canon

From: Bryan Levman
Message: 4652
Date: 2016-06-29

Dear Balaji,

There are lots of references in the Vinaya and Sutta that make it clear monks were expected to memorize and recite the buddhadhamma. Koṭikaṇṇa is an excelent one, because it goes into great detail and cites the actual text (Aṭṭhakavāgga). This is a very early part of the Sn, so we can assume that the practice dates from the time of the Buddha.
There is also of course the pāṭimokkha which was to be recited every fortnight. And the DN recitation suttas DN33 Sangītisutta and DN 34 Dasuttara Sutta,
the Dutiya Vinayadharasutta (AN 4, 14025) where the monk is expected to know the teachings “sutta by sutta, in detail” (suttaso anuvyañjanaso); and a statement in
Sn (Pārāyanavagga, v. 1131-a) by the monk Piṅgiya, pārāyanam-anugāyissaṃ (“I will recite the Pārāyana…”), showing that this earliest of vaggas was to be memorized and recited as well.I'm sure others in the group will have more references. Memorization and recitation were core practices in the Buddha's saṅgha, in my opinion.

Best wishes,

Bryan





From: "Balaji balaji.ramasubramanian@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] References to chanting, pronunciation, etc., in the Canon

 
Thanks a lot Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi, Bryan and Aleix, for all the pointers. Thanks a lot for this reference.

Would you be knowing of any other references to memorization, and/or pronunciation?

Thanks,
Balaji

Balaji

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Aleix Ruiz Falqués ruydaleixo@... [palistudy] <palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Dear all,

I think the Journal Asiatique of 1915 (2nd part) can be consulted here: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k93286n/f584.image.r=

Best wishes,
Aleix

2016-06-29 7:12 GMT+07:00 Bryan Levman bryan.levman@... [palistudy] <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>:
 
Dear Balaji,

For a detailed translation of all the Pali, Chinese and Tibetan versions of this story (Soṇa Kuṭikaṇṇa) see Sylvain Levi's excellent article
Lévi, S. 1915. "Sur la récitation primitive des textes bouddhiques." Journal Asiatique Mai-Juin 1915: 401-447.
I don't have a pdf of the article, but perhaps someone else in the group does,

Best wishes,

Bryan



From: "Bhikkhu Bodhi venbodhi@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] References to chanting, pronunciation, etc., in the Canon

 
Dear Balaji,
The protagonist of the story you cite is not Mahākaccāna himself, but a pupil of his named Soṇa Kuṭikaṇṇa. In the Vinaya Mahāvagga (Vin I 197) it is reported that Soṇa, at the urging of Mahākaccāna, traveled from Avantī to visit the Buddha at Jetavana in Sāvatthī. After his arrival the Buddha asked him to recite some Dhamma. In response, he recited all the texts of the Aṭṭhakavagga (sabbān’eva aṭṭhakavaggikāni sarena abhāsi). At the end of the recitation, the Buddha applauded him with the words: “Excellent, excellent, bhikkhu! You have learned well, attended well, memorized well the texts of the Aṭṭhakavagga.” There is an Udāna version of the story as well (at Ud 59), which states that Soṇa recited all sixteen texts of the Aṭṭhakavagga (soḷasa aṭṭhakavaggikāni sabbān’eva sarena abhaṇi), and the Buddha mentions the figure in his word of appreciation: “Excellent, excellent, bhikkhu! You have learned well, attended well, memorized well the sixteen texts of the Aṭṭhakavagga.”

With best wishes,
Bhikkhu Bodhi


On 6/28/2016 7:22 PM, Balaji balaji.ramasubramanian@... [palistudy] wrote:
 
Hi all,

I am trying to find out more about pronunciation strictness in chanting as professed by early Buddhists in the Pali Canon. I have come to learn through some distinguished scholars in this group, that the commentarial tradition did lay some emphasis on correct pronunciation. But the extant of this emphasis at the time of the Buddha, with references in the Pali Canon seems a little unclear.

I heard the following story in a Dhamma talk given by Ajahn Pasanno (abbot of Abhayagiri monastery, northern CA). I don't even know if the story is part of the Canon itself, or if it is part of the commentarial tradition:

Mahākaccāna visits the Buddha after a long time, and after the formalities, the Buddha asks Mahākaccāna to chant the Aṭṭhakavagga, section of the Suttanipāta. And when Mahākaccāna finishes chanting, the Buddha praised Mahākaccāna for his great voice and proper pronunciation etc.

I'm trying to find a reference to this story and would be very grateful if someone on this group knows that and can point it out to me. Also, if you have references to other similar stories or incidents in the Pali Canon itself, I would be very grateful for your help.

Thanks,
Balaji

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