I never said that “raz” isn’t used for counting.  I said that that is not its primary usage.  You’re reading what you want into what I said.  I’ve told you my background with the Russian language.  1.5 years intensive military training and then 10 years listening to Russians in a great variety of contexts.  What is your background in the language? 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: H.M. Hubey [mailto:hubeyh@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 20:14
To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Russian ras=adin

 

IT is common to count ras/z, dva, tri and not adin, dva, tri for whatever strange reason. Ras/z
means something like "start" (head).

Andy Howey wrote:

If you want to equate "time" or "instance" to "head", that's your prerogative, but I don't see the relationship.  Using "raz" in counting is not the predominant, or even normal, usage.  It's rather colloquial, almost slangy.  The normal meaning of "raz" is "(an instant in) time".

"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...> wrote:

Well, it does not make much difference. Semitic words are like reshu,
rashu, etc.

Andy Howey wrote:

> To clarify my statement about "raz" having a time connotation,
here
> are two examples:
>
> eshche raz = one more time, once again
> srazu = right now
>
> No counting involved in either example.
>
> Andy Howey wrote:
>
> It's not "ras" -- it's "raz", and I don't know the
etymology. And
> it's "odin", not "adin". And by the way,
"raz" has more of a
> time/momentary connotation, AND you'll hear "odin" as often as
> you'll hear "raz" in counting situations. I spent 1-1/5 years in
> INTENSIVE Russian training, and spent 10 years afterwards
> listening to Russians, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
>
> "H.M. Hubey" wrote:
>
> Russian seems to have two words for "one"; adin/odin
> (which seems
> to be related to "one") and "ras" which is used in
counting up
> e.g. ras,
> dva, tri,chitri,
>
> What is the likelihood that "ras" is from Semitic
"head".
>
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