Torsten,
 
Why do you think that the Cimmerians spoke an Indo-Arian language (not an Iranian one as is thought usually)?
Did the Cimbri have any peculiarities in the vocabulary which could be attested as an Indo-Arian heritage? Or in the Jutland toponymy?
 
Alexander
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [Nostratica] Re: Ghassulian culture

--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, "John <jdcroft@......>"
<jdcroft@......> wrote:
> Alexander
>
> You asked
> > [A]
> > Do you mean O.Trubachev's book "Indoarica v Severnom
> Prichernomorie"?
> > Yes, the distance between pre-Cimmerian times and today is about
3-
> 3.5 millennia. But Trubachev relies mainly on ancient and partly
> medieval toponyms and personal names. Only very few of them
survived
> till our days. If only they were available for investigations I
think
> nobody could prove their Indo-Aryan origin. So I think that in this
> example the time of the _reliable surviving_ should be shortened
till
> the Greek or Roman times, i.e. about 1.000 years.
> > On the other hand the Ukrainian steppes were a very inconvenient
> place for preserving archaic toponyms - so often nation changed
> there, and as a rule with a great violence, when the old population
> disappeared very quickly.
>
> I haven't read anything academic on this subject.  I came across it
a
> couple of years ago in a detailed discussion on Cybalist.
>
> Regards
>
> John

That was mostly me proposed the connection. Classical writers connect
the Cimmerians with the Cimbri of Jutland, who have been connected
with the landscape Himmerland, and Cymru and Cumbria and ... At least
in Denmark the time fits approximately, Celtic (now pre-Roman) Iron
Age beginning approx. 500 BCE.

Torsten



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