Saell Patricia, Xeon ok Llama,
 
As for Draupnr, it is very curious to find it as a sword name, as it is the name of the ring which Odinn put in Balder's funeral pyre. Both Snorri's and the Poetic Edda attest this, and made it very clear that it was a golden ring from which every ninth night nine oher rings dripped. Thus the ON name Draupnir is believed to mean 'the dripper'.
It is also a dwarves name in the Thulur, which contrasted with the ring which produces more rings and the fact that dwarves ars good  goldsmiths seems to have something to do with smithing rather  than slicing.
 
Interesting re-use of the myth in the saga.
 
Which chapter is it in?
 
Cheers
 
 
Fernando Guerrero
Centre for Medieval Studies
University of York, King's Manor
Y01 7EP, York
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia
To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [norse_course] Re: English to Norse (sword names)

Saell Xeon, Llama,
Please will you note the possibility of my having made an error, in offering Dragvandil - Slicer as Egil's sword because in a copy of the Saga of Egil Skallagrimsson I have found a "Draupnir"  and that too is translated as slicer, I so do not wish to spoil your work by offering an incorrect name, I am pointing this out now rather than you find this later, when it might be too late to correct, you would want to take the word you feel is best ??
Kveðja
Patricia
----- Original Message -----
From: xeon_ies
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: [norse_course] Re: English to Norse (sword names)


Thanks a lot for your help, Llama! I must think of some way to
"beautify" these names as they seem kind of awkward to the average
reader, though.

By the way, Ull's hall is called Ydalir and it translates to "Yew
Dales". What are Yews and Dales? Is it some kind of magical morning
dew or water droplet etc.?

Thanks!
Xeon.


>
> Hi Xeon,
>
> "Heiti" (poetic names) for bows:
>
> Almr, dalr, bogi, (elm, dale, bow)
> ýr ok tvíviðr, (yew and two-wood)
> sveigr, glær ok þrymr, (bent, sea?, stretch?)
> sómr, skálgelmir. (honour/fitness, bowl-?)
>
> "Stinger" might be 'biti' or 'bítr', but these seem to be prefered
> for sword names.  I don't know if there's a different word
> for "arch" that doen't mean "bow" as well, but 'bogi' seems to cover
> both.  'Dalr' must be from the curved shape of a valley, and perhaps
> by extension other curved things.  I've read one theory about the
> name Heimdallr that relates it to this, in the sense of "horn"--and
> in Hervarar saga, the Huns are said to have horn-bows.  So maybe
> that's the connection.  Sveigr is related to the verb sveigja "bend
> [a bow]".  Skál is a bowl--could that be a reference to the bow's
> curved shape too?
>
> 1) bogi/dalr/sveigr inn mikli (inn stóri).
> 2) undrbiti
> 3) biti inn efsti
>
> I don't know what -gelmir is.  It occurs in a lot of mythological
> names.  'Gellr' means "shrieks, twangs" (gjalla "to shriek/twang")
> and is the word used for the noise of a bowstring, so maybe you
> could include that as one element: Undrgjalli, or something like
> that.  Careful though: as we found out recently the Icelandic Hobbit
> translates Gollum as Gollnir!
>
> Not sure what 'sea' has to do with bows.  Could there be a
> connection with similar words for "glistening, splendour"
> and "amber"?
>
> Llama Nom
>
>
>
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "xeon_ies" <xeon@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Llama!
> >
> > I've decided to adopt the names Dugvandill and Harmbrenna for the
> > sword names.
> > And one more thing in which I'm thinking of giving a name to Ull's
> bow
> > too. :-D
> >
> > What does the following words translates to?
> >
> > 1) "The Great Arch"
> > 2) "Wonderous Stinger"
> > 3) "Final stinger"
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xeon.





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