On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:11:02AM -0400, Lazarus wrote:

>
> Thank you. That's what my other source tells me as well. I suspected it,
> but was expecting to see Oðinni instead if it were Dative. I was unclear
> about it as an exception.

It's not really an exception, but one of those general rules that modify
everything with a certain pattern. I think it may even be covered in one
of the lessons for this course, even though it's not complete. (I don't
remember where I encountered it.)

First of all, Oðinn (nominative singular) is stem Oðin + ending -n.
The -n replaces -r because of a rule about stems ending in -n, -l, -s.
So the dative would seem to be Oðini. Except that hits another rule,
which as a non-specialist I just see as "patterns like '-ðini' sound awkward".
(Haukur or someone, what's the actual rule?) And the -ðini becomes -ðni.
Lots of other words do the same thing; it's not specific to Oðinn.

[note: writing from memory, and by no means an expert. I've probably got
some details fuzzed.]

>
> -Laz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Bray
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [norse_course] Havamal
>
>
> Hi Lazarus,
> 'Oðni' is simply 'Oðinn' in the dative case (ie. given to Oðinn).
>
> Dan
>
> Lazarus wrote:
>
> Okay, here's a REAL Old Norse literary question about translation.I've been staring and staring at the Konungsbok Eddukvaeda (Codedx Regius) and in the passage commonly referred to as stanza 138 (page 6v), the word 'oðni' is used where translators usually use 'Odin' and it's driving me crazy. Here's the sentance: Ueit ec at ec hecc vinðga meiði a netr allar nío.geiri vnðaþr oc gefin oðni, sialfr sialfum mer, a þeim meiþi er mangi veithuerf han af rótom ren. So how does 'oðni' turn into Oðinn? Since we know that Oðinn is less a name than a word used as a proper noun, what is it in the sentance structure that tells us that it's supposed to be read as the god Oðinn and not simply a variation of a word like 'oddr' meaning "the furthest tip of a spear"? (Happy now, Haukur? I've finally got a meaty question for you.)-Laz
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> Daniel Bray
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