Re: Why there is t- in German tausend "thousand"?

2013/11/13, gprosti <gprosti@...>:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <johnvertical@...> wrote:
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>> > ---In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <gprosti@> wrote:
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>> > I'm not sure what you mean by "regular system of diatopic variation",
>> > but if you have a
>> > set of words with a sufficient amount of shared phonetic material, plus
>> > matching
>> > semantics, this overrides the criterion of regular phonetic
>> > correspondence when drawing
>> > a connection between two or more forms.
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>> Which itself can be overriden if the similarities can be shown to have
>> divergent origins, of course. In this case that'd require a whole bunch of
>> corroborating evidence for the model of forming numerals as "largest
>> numeral not yet named", though. The best precedent I can think for
>> anything along these lines is from the set-theoretical construction of
>> ordinal numbers, a bit advanced for a supposed pre-HG origin :)
>>
>> I'm going to wonder if analogy may be again at work, perhaps this time
>> starting from the rather similar _Dutzend_. Does this have related
>> /t/-initial forms that could have influenced the appearence of the same in
>> _tausend_?
>>
>> _j.
>>
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> True, but "can be shown to have divergent origins" contains a potentially
> vast spectrum of plausibilty. E.g., it's one thing to show that OHG kuning
> and Finn. kuningas could each be formed from clearly discernible elements or
> through clearly productive morphological processes within their respective
> languages. It's another thing to derive one or both of these words using
> rare, semantically obscure roots or affixes and use this as a basis for
> doubting their common descent.
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>

*Bhr.: isn't it clear that with du^sunt and tu^sunt we are dealing of
word in the same language? The case of similar, more or less evidently
cognate words in different language is completely different! I
understand it's very interesting, but nobody is questioning that, the
point is that if thu^sunt and du^sunt are (as they are) the regular
OHG outcome of Germanic *þūsundī, tu^sunt isn't. If You absolutely
want to have a parallel case of kuning : kuningas, You have to find a
possible target language in OHG times or before. I'm waiting for that