Re: Hindu noise-makers, Elst and OIT -- a review of book by Harald

From: Lalit Mishra
Message: 71413
Date: 2013-10-17

 
[ Oh what the hell, I'll offer a couple elementary criticisms of this one ]
 
The very opening line of your post doesnt look decent, you should maintain it, With an indecent ( mrighovaach in vedic terms), I wd prefer to not to respond to you any more, although, the point that you mande below on Uralic, Eddas, Germanic oral tradidtion and poetries etc is bit interesting, however, difficult to find consistent use of defined meters in these poetries.
 
 
Lalit Mishra  
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Oh what the hell, I&apos;ll offer a couple elementary criticisms of this one: > One must understand that in addition to the linguistic study of terminology thats studied well in the > past and is continute to be center of attraction due to similarity found in majority of europian > languages with vedic sanskrit, study of well defined Meters ( Brihati, Virat, Viraaj, Trishtup, > Jagati etc.) used in Vedic Hymns are equaly important and should be included in the scope of > linguistic studies. Meters are certainly *a* piece of evidence (they turn up, for example, in the reconstruction of Uralic as well), but to put a handful of them on level with lexical evidence comprising many hundreds of word roots is overdoing it. Moreover, you only mention "terminology" and appear to gloss over grammar altogether, when this is a major part of the Indo-European framework in which Sanskrit must be understood.

> Such meters are conspicuous by their absence in the languages and dialects spoken in europe, > therefore, the linguistic similarity traced in vedic Sanskrit and other europian languages doesnt
> approve theories like AIT/AMT/OIT or whatsoever theory ever made in the past, that what gets
> approved is in fact, the left overd Vedic Aryans settlements, colonies and altars that&apos;s spread over
> several parts of europe ceased to continue and therefore metrical knolwedge was lost in europian
> languages.

I have some difficulty following this but I think you&apos;re essentially siding with the "Aryan Invasion From India" countertheory here? This conclusion seems to be circular, based on the assumption that whatever meter patterns existed in Sanskrit must have also existed in PIE. This is trivially false: distinct meters are found in Ancient Greek literature, hence at least one must have innovated, and hence both might have.
> obviously, no scripture like Vedas even at a lower scale could ever be made by europian branchaes of
> Aryans

Nothing whatsoever is "obvious" about this statement, for starters what would constitute scripture "like Vedas" (though I gather you are ruling out e.g. Greek literature or Germanic oral traditions captured by the Eddas).

> We also hardly find signs of continuity of faith in Vedic Gods, In most of the mythologies made in
> europian languages, down the line, Vedic Gods were transformed into new regional Gods

This argument again already circularly preassumes that the Vedic system is the "most original", in which no innovations have occurred.

_j.