Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 71021
Date: 2013-03-03

*poug'-(m)no-s, root √*peug'- 'prick, sting', cf. Greek pygm'e: 'fist'

2013/3/4, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>:
> So, where does Latin pugnus come from --it looks some truly warped
> derivational form from *penkwe-
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> --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Tavi <oalexandre@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" wrote:
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>> > A similar case would be IE *penkWe- '5' ~ NEC *fimk?wV 'fist'. If I'm
>> > not mistaken, Petr suggested that Starostin's f should be replaced by
>> > X\W or XW.
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>> What are the attested words on which this NEC reconstruction is based?
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>> > See here:
>> > http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&basename=/data/cauc/caucet&text_number=1008&root=config
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>> Very interesting. The phoneme *f is relatively rare, and the
>> correspondences for this lexeme are regular. That does not exclude
>> borrowing from an IE source after the breakup of Proto-NEC.
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> I strongly disagree. The NEC word means 'fist', a meaning which in IE only
> appears in a *derivated form* found in Germanic, Slavic and Baltic (the
> latter with initial k-), while the bare lexeme shifted to '5' at an early
> date, probably in the Neolithic as other numerals. So in my opinion this
> would be another case where a word from a language ancestor to IE is
> preserved in NEC.
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