Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" wrote:
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> > > I do not find Sean's ad-hoc claim that Celtic did not assimilate *perkWu- to *kWerkWu- convincing,
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> > It's not ad hoc. kW > k by u first, which is seen in Greek, too. Compare fairhwus = world, fairguni = mtn Got; showing that at least sometimes KW>K by u
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And in Greek it happened after o>u by P / KW (also not reg.), which didn't happen in Gmc, so at least 2 indep. or dif.-ordered examples of this change (just as other distance ch. like p>kW you doubted were indep. or CH>C-CH) that you think is so odd it requires borrowing for a word w p- > h- even though unborrowed words show this.

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> There's also kW ( > xW ) > 0:
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> Hercynia silva (trans L) Celt; perynja = oak forest R;
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> Perkú:nas OLh; perkú:nas Lh;
> PerunU OR; perún R;
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And in the other dir. xW > kW:

*xWostyó+ >
ostéon = bone G;
kostI = bone OCS;

> and kW > p in the Slavic rain ritual of Perperuna (or Dodola \ Dudulja \ etc.), probably named after Perun's wife (if so cogn. Fjörgyn OIc;).

In case you're wondering if the change *Peruna > Perperuna could have been made for some kind of "intensive" meaning w reduplication, I'd admit it's possible, but since Dudulja looks like reduplication too but really came from:

*duzdyu- = bad sky > dUz^dI = rain OCS;

it seems that just C1-C1 in adj. syl. was enough to cause reshaping assimilation to make it look like reduplication, so the same C1-C1 in *Perpuna > Perperuna could have been from this same reshaping. Considering the rest of the oddities, I'm willing to believe either kW > xW or p here.