Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
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> > > Could it have been Lusitanian? That could count for the P.
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> > Lusitanian has *ikko- from *h1ek^wo- 'horse', so I would expect its 'wolf' word to be *ulko-, *wolko-, or *lukko-, depending on the form it started with.
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> > Many years ago Miguel suggested that the tribal name Volcae meant 'Wolves'. That may well be, if they belonged to the Illyro-Lusitanian branch and used the *wl.kWo- form. They were associated with the Silva Hercy:nia, and if Proto-Celtic borrowed Volcan *Perku:nia: as *Ferku:nia:, that would explain the lack of *p...kW assimilation.
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> Why do you think so many words were borrowed? You use that excuse whenever any ev. doesn't fit your rules; don't you think you could just be wrong? f > xW would have hapened in Proto-Celtic long before this borrowing by one group in one place long after Celtic split up.
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> > I do not find Sean's ad-hoc claim that Celtic did not assimilate *perkWu- to *kWerkWu- convincing,
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> It's not ad hoc. kW > k by u first, which is seen in Greek, too. Compare fairhwus = world, fairguni = mtn Got; showing that at least sometimes KW>K by u

There's also kW ( > xW ) > 0:

Hercynia silva (trans L) Celt; perynja = oak forest R;

Perkú:nas OLh; perkú:nas Lh;
PerunU OR; perún R;

and kW > p in the Slavic rain ritual of Perperuna (or Dodola \ Dudulja \ etc.), probably named after Perun's wife (if so cogn. Fjörgyn OIc;). Did Slavic borrow the name of their god from an IE in which kW > xW and his wife's from an IE in which kW > p ? Where did Parjánya- S; come from? Is it worth all this, as well as saying Gmc had p-p from Celtic in 1 word but Celtic got h-q from something else in 1 w the same shape so p-p can no longer be seen there, instead of looking at all ev. in all words for kW, seeing its opt. changes, and the possibility of clusters creating (opt.) oddities?

> > I do not know if Perpignan, presumably from fundus *Perpinia:nus owned by a Gallo-Roman *Perpinius, can be cited as evidence. It would require a somewhat awkward Gallo-Latin 2nd-decl. *perpus, -i: 'native oak' vel sim. against expected 4th-decl. *perpus, -u:s.
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