Re: On Greek thalassa 'sea'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:

>
> 2013/1/29, stlatos :
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
> >>
> >> Since the obvious epenthetical plosive is voiced /d/, I fail to
> >> understand
> >> how could it be that we get a voiceless aspirate unless through a sort of
> >> double sound shift by which one would expect at least /ph/ if not
> >> anything
> >> more instead of /p/ of -pos
> >
> >
> > There are many words showing t/dH alt. before r:
> >
> >
> > vártra-m S; vart = shield Os; vs
> > várdhra-s = strap/girdle/belt S;
>
> two suffixes; if they have common origin, it's */th/, not */d/
>

So the dif. between:

varatra:- = strap, várdhra-s = strap/girdle/belt S;

isn't the -a-, but two suffixes -tro- and -dhro-? I doubt it. If this alt. is apparent within roots AND suffixes, then -tro- and -dhro- would be rel. just as andrós and ánthro:pos .

> >
> > árthron = joint G; vs
> > artus -u:s L; ard -u- = order Ar;
>
> Armenian /rd/ < */rt/

I took care to separate those showing t from dH; the lower line has artus & ard, vs the upper line with -th-.

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> >
> > tetró:konta Dor G; cethorcho OI; vs
> > quadrá:ginta: L; kHaRasun = 40 Ar;
>
> This isn't before */r/ because there's */w/ between */t/ and */r/
>

So, if:

quadrupe:s L; cátus.pat- S;

exist it means quadru- < kWetwru-? I doubt it; met. ur>ru seems likely.

> >
> > dragan OE; draw E; vs
> > trahere L;
>
> Different roots

No way.


; You can't base a sound law on such forms, at most

> they can be the same before PIE, just like English foot and pedestrian
> aren't transformation of the same synchronically underlying form
>
> >
> > þragjan = run Go; vs
> > trékho: () threkso: (fut) = run G; dredh = turn/twist/revolve Al; daRnam =
> > (re)turn Ar;
>
> Different roots

No way.

>
> >
> > ané:r andrós (g) anéres (p) G; vs
> > ánthro:pos G; [analogy as if an- = not/bad ?] dró:ps Mac;
>
> This was the demonstrandum
>

Everyone without something against optionality or a crazy theory can tell they're from the same root.


Other C can show the same, like:

émbruon G; bhru:ná- = embryo S;

[ok>o:] dúal = lock of hair MIr; tagl = a single hair Go; = hair in horse tail ON; dHraál = markhor's hair Achar;

gutsá- \ guccha- = bunch of flowers S; grùts = bunch of grapes Khow; gHrútsa = wild strawberries Achar;


Also notice, esp. in Ind-Iran., that r alt. 0, so gutsá- vs. grùts, showing that these all come from opt. r. > R ( > G > 0 ) where tR > dHR, sim. to tx > tHx .