Re: PIE suffix =t in food?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

>
> Do You postulate an /o/-grade or a hypothetical Sound Law */a/ > */o/
> in a hypothetical language like non-Venetic Venetic?

Neither. Since Latin <caput> appears to contain zero-grade like <capere> (full-grade <ce:pi:>, root *keh1p-, originally stative 'I hold up', whence inceptive <capio:> 'I pick up, HEAVE'), I presume North Venetic *olut also had zero-grade, the root being of the form *h2/4elh{x}- (i.e. /a/-colored laryngeal anlaut, undetermined lar. auslaut).

Note that Torsten and I did not invent non-Padanian Venetic. Ernst Schwarz invoked it as a substrate to explain South German Fils/Vils and a few other river-names, and while Hans Krahe disagreed with him on the river-names, he was gracious enough to allow Schwarz to publish in BzNf.

(But I suspect you already know all that.)

DGK

> 2012/10/30, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@> wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > PIE *h2elut "beer" (Latin alu:men, English ale)
> >> >
> >> This is a Wanderwort referring to some fermented drink found in several
> >> languages:
> >> Georgian (a)ludi 'beer'
> >> Avar rid� 'whey'
> >> Tsezi orodu 'beer'
> >> Armenian ort 'wine' (possibly an Urartian loanword)
> >> Albaian ardhi 'wine'
> >> Basque ardao 'wine' < *arda-dano (second member from a root 'to drink')
> >
> > Finnish/Estonian <olut> suggests that Germanic was not the immediate source,
> > but another IE language provided the word to both Finnic and Germanic.
> > Since Torsten is on vacation, I will be the one to suggest Venetic. The
> > structure is possibly parallel to Latin <caput> 'head', and the root perhaps
> > means 'froth, foam' as in <Alwin> and a few other river-names. Gothic
> > loanwords occur in the Caucasus but I cannot say whether that is the
> > immediate source of the Georgian word listed above.
> >
> > DGK