Re: Ligurian

From: dgkilday57
Message: 69713
Date: 2012-06-01

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>
> 2012/5/25, dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Trond Engen <trond@> wrote:
> >>
> >> dgkilday57:
> >> >
> >> > [...]
> >> >
> >> > Thanks very much. I actually misread the map index, and the Bart was
> >> > on the French side of the border in De'p. Doubs (and I still cannot
> >> > locate it on the map), apparently the same place found by Bh.
> >>
> >> It's a village about to be swallowed of the agglomeration of Montbéliard
> >> (midway between Besançon and Mulhouse, just off the Swiss wart). I found
> >> it easily in Google Earth, but here's a cyclemap that renders topography
> >> simple and well:
> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.no/?zoom=14&lat=47.48665&lon=6.77523&layers=0B0000>.
> >>
> >> The most prominent topographic feature seems to be Mont Bart, a hill
> >> with a fort, but there's also a brook running into l'Allan, and the
> >> confluence of l'Alan and le Doubs is nearby..
> >
> > I see. Bart is just southeast of Dung. Since there is no point in carrying
> > things over a hill, I can hardly justify Lig. *barto- < *bHr.-to- here.
> >
> > DGK
> >
> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>
> Would a Celtic *barti- = OIr. bairt then be conceivable, maybe as a
> female river-deity?

Conceivable yes, but why would her name be attached to a hill? I would be more inclined here to follow one of your other suggestions, a derivative of *bHah2go- 'beech' (*ba:go- in both Celtic and Ligurian) with *-g- absorbed in the modern form. We do have Brienz < *Brigantia in this general area (either Celt. or Lig. if we derive it from *wr(e)igH- 'to wriggle, twist, turn' like Gallo-Latin <brigantes> 'parasitic worms').

DGK