Re: Ligurian

From: Trond Engen
Message: 69680
Date: 2012-05-24

dgkilday57:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Trond Engen <trond@...> wrote:
>
>> Trond Engen:
>>
>>> dgkilday57:
>>>
>>>> DGK:
>>>> Another Bart is mentioned in the index to Hammond's France Road Atlas,
>>>> just east of the Swiss/French border in western Switzerland. (I
>>>> cannot find the place on the map itself inside the square referenced
>>>> by the index.) It is hard to believe the old Province Novara was this
>>>> large. I hope this is not merely an error on d'Arbois's part which
>>>> Dottin and Bottiglioni failed to catch. The latter was fairly fussy
>>>> about the Corsican place-names with which he dealt in his monograph.
>>>
>>> Chez-le-Bart, a village in District de Boudry on the north shore of
>>> Lac de Neuchâtel. 'Le Bart' looks as it might be (or have been) the
>>> name of a small river running into the lake there.
>>
>> Or maybe not. I thought of 'chez' as Latin<casa>, but it's probably
>> just the familiar preposition meaning "in the home of", with 'le Bart'
>> being the surname of some old proprietor.
>>
>>> But I'll rush to say that I've never been anywhere near and know
>>> nothing about Swiss toponymics.
>>
>> I'll keep that caveat.
>
> Thanks very much. I actually misread the map index, and the Bart was
> on the French side of the border in De'p. Doubs (and I still cannot
> locate it on the map), apparently the same place found by Bh.

It's a village about to be swallowed of the agglomeration of Montbéliard
(midway between Besançon and Mulhouse, just off the Swiss wart). I found
it easily in Google Earth, but here's a cyclemap that renders topography
simple and well:
<http://www.openstreetmap.no/?zoom=14&lat=47.48665&lon=6.77523&layers=0B0000>.

The most prominent topographic feature seems to be Mont Bart, a hill
with a fort, but there's also a brook running into l'Allan, and the
confluence of l'Alan and le Doubs is nearby..

--
Trond Engen