Re: DOBUR / DOBHAR < =====> DIBAR / DABRA-H

From: Tavi
Message: 69472
Date: 2012-04-30

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...>
wrote:
>
> > Just to make it more interesting to you, I will introduce you to yet
another C. A. term from a secondary root
> > dbr (2): "dibar / dabra-h" which means "water channel."
> >
> > http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/LINKS/DBR2.html
> > Now compare it with the Old Irish "dobur" & modern Gaelic as
"dobhar" below:
> >
> > "The eighteenth-century writer quoted by Blake and Lloyd, Theophilus
Evans, makes the equation
> > between Wysc and a word ‘visc’ used ‘by the
Gwyddel of Ireland… for Dwfr’; in fact, the word occurs as
uisg
> > in Gaelic to mean ‘water’ and is found in an early
Irish glossary in the form esc. What this shows is that the
> > Brittonic word *ĭscā, ‘water’, > has a
cognate in Irish; so does dwfr, which occurs in Old Irish as dobur and
> > modern Gaelic as dobhar. In other words, both languages have more
than one word for water. This
> > is not surprising. However, the evidence of placenames suggests that
those rivers regarded as being *ĭscās
> > were not interchangeable with those regarded as *dŭbrās.
The former have names that survive as various
> > Axes, Exes, Usks and so on; the latter include the River Dee (Welsh
Dyfrdwy, literally ‘waters of Dee’,
> > *dÅ­brās dÄ"uās)." Ref. The River Severn/Hafren and
Caerleon/Caerlleon
>
> Yes, this is Celtic *dubro- ‘water’ (which Matasovic
conflates with *dubo- ‘dark’), although the proposed link
> to other IE words meaning ‘deep’ is also dubious IMHO
(see Delamarre’s Dictionnaire de la langue gauloise for
> more details).
>
> I’d relate this and the Arabic word to the hydronym Tiber,
likely of Etruscan origin (thepri-, thefri- thifari-
> ‘channel’) and to Pre-Greek *dabur in laburínthos.
This is parallel to Hurrian tem-ari ‘irrigation ditch;
> channel’, which Starostin links to NEC *ta:mh\i ‘vein;
pipe, kennel’. There’s also Turkic *da.mor ‘vein,
artery;
> root’.
>
As in the case of the 'apple' word, the concatenation of a nasal and a
laryngeal would have lead to the denasalization of the former.