Re: Schöffe I

From: Torsten
Message: 69259
Date: 2012-04-06

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ufnkex" <spamstorage@...> wrote:
>
> >Look what I've found:
> >http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szkop
> >http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szkop
> >as derogatory term for Germans = Scheffe?
>
> They say the etymology for szkop is unclear.

I actually pondered something on the lines of
**sγaN- > *swew-/*skab-.

> But this word (which I
> see for the 1st time) reminds me of something I recently read on
> this list: what were those words meaning "peasant; simpleton;
> clodhopper" in some Slavic languages, esp. in "česko-polski"?
> Something containing "sk(l?)Vpec-" or so (I didn't pay enough
> attention, I'm afraid :)).

You should have ;-)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66821?var=0&l=1
and onwards

cf
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66820?var=0&l=1
and
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/68432?var=0&l=1


I was wondering, since apparently Cz. skopec is a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wether
(from skop-iti "castrate"), that WGerm. *skāp- "sheep" might be a loan from Slavic (or its donor there).

> PS: As far as Schöffe is concerned: it is quite clear now that we
> have three main categories for this - (1) the Phoenician-Hebrew
> shopet/shofet (with a variant as a loanword in classical Latin);
> (2) an Iranian notion conveyed by the Prototurkic world čaban or
> Å¡aban (with main double general meanings: some leader & shepherd),
> and (3) the Slavic župan, which is either a Slavic development
> or the adaption of the Turkic čaban/čoban/čolpan. We've seen the
> German Schöffe is rather connected with the župan vicinity, and
> not some Punic relic of Roman times when Cologne was Colonia
> Agrippinensis, Bonn Bonnonia and Trier Augusta Treverorum.

Yes, the the Phoenician-Hebrew shopet/shofet would have arrived not from the west but from the east, from the Bosporan Kingdom, through the Bastarnian lands. I haven't seen anything that would force me to divide the word sets into the three categories you claim to see. The semantics covers something like "judged" / "castrated" / "wether/sheep/herd". It all makes sense in a slaving context.




Torsten