Re: Family terms [was: Kluge's Law in Italic?]

From: stlatos
Message: 68580
Date: 2012-02-19

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > > > The important thing is there is no ev. for *-dHlo- anywhere, especially where tH and dH survived as distinct sounds (Skt).
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> > > You have not convinced me that there is no ev. in Skt., which does have a few adjectives ending in -dhras and nouns ending in -dhram, -dhras, or -dhri:.
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> > What does that matter? There's no question that roots ending in dh could have adj. in ro like any other (*aidh > vi-idhra-, grdh > gr.dhra-, etc.); it's only the supposed unit *-dhlo- that doesn't exist, w no such words meaning '_ tool', etc., in Skt.
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> I have already argued that oxytone *-dHló- is a compound suffix, with deverbal *-ló- attached to the zero-grade of a root extended by *-dH-. Thus in my view Lat. <stabulum> continues *st&4-dH-ló-, just as Grk. <stathmós> continues *st&4-dH-mó-. I now think that barytone *-dHlo- is also a compound suffix. Words like Grk. <zeúgle:> 'collar of a yoke', Lat. <sella> 'seat', and Go. <sitls> 'id.' testify to a PIE suffix *-lo-/*-leh2- taking normal grade. Beside Grk. <génethlon> and Lat. <fa:bula> I would place Skt. <várdhras> 'girdle, strap, belt', PIE *wér-dH-lo-, from *wer- 'to surround, contain, cover', the root reflected in Skt. <vr.n.óti> 'surrounds, covers, protects'.
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The only Greek words in -thron not after a V (indicating a former "laryngeal") are also -rthr- :

térthron = *edge > end (of shipping yard)
árthron = joint G;