Re: Manching, D2 - D1

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "guestu5er" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> > I'd propose that his 'Parisus' = 'Paar'
>
> The author describes regions, routes and populations in what's today
> Eastern Austria and Slovenia. Manching lies in the middle of
> Bavaria, 82 km North of Munich (Hauptbahnhof), outside of Ingolstadt
> (South of it). Vohburg, where Paar meets the Danube, lies also close
> to Manching and Ingolstadt, East of them (all three about 80-85 km
> North of Munich. The starting point of Paar (Kaltenberg,
> Geltendorf): 57 km West of Munich, 31 km South of Augsburg and near
> the lake of Ammersee).
>
> Between this Augsburg-Munich-Ingolstadt area and the area of
> Ljubljana the distance is pretty long.
>
> Munich - Nauportus (Vrhnika = Oberlaibach, Slovenia): 418 km.
>
> I assume, in the 1st c. BCE it must have been a few hundred km
> longer, since travelers hardly could cross Austrian mountain ranges
> that are crossed today, e.g. via this route
> (North-North-West--South-South-East):
>
> route (505 km): Ingolstadt- Munich - Rosenheim - Salzburg (Iuvavum) - Spittal an der Drau /= Drave/ (Teurnia/Tiburnia) - Villach (neighbo-
> ring Zollberg = Virunum) - Kranj - Ljubljana (Emona; i.e., East of
> Aquileia and Tergeste; neighboring Nauportus).
>
> Iuvavum/Salzburg -<Eastwards>- Vindobona/Vienna: 315 km, via
> Lentia/Linz.
>
> In Roman times:
>
> - "Römerstrasse III": betw. Augusta Vindelicorum (Augsburg) and
> Ovilava (Wels) (in the direction to Lentia/Linz)
> http://www.kaluwi.de/Augsburg_Wels.html
>
> - other "vias" through Bavaria south- + south-eastwards into
> Austria:
> http://www.kaluwi.de/Altstrassen.html
>
> - Via Claudia (Augsburg -> Tirol)
>
> ***

Transportation of cargo was most likely by boat:
Danube
<->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sava
<->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubljanica

>
> Did Dacians defeat Taurisci and Boii in Bavaria? (in the vicinity
> of Augsburg = Augusta Treverorum, Manching, Ingolstadt, Munich,
> Salzburg and Linz)
>
> Or rather in some area closer to Dacia (e.g. Noricum, Pannonia)?
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burebista#Early_references
'There are only three ancient sources on Burebista:
Strabo: Geographica 7.3.5, 7.3.11
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/7C*.html
and 16.2.39
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/16B*.html
(who spells his name Byrebistas and Boirebistas);
Jordanes: Getica 67
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/Goths/Goths1.htm
(spells his name Buruista);
and a marble inscription found in Balchik, Bulgaria (now found at the National Museum in Sofia) which represents a decree by the citizens of Dionysopolis about Akornion.[1]'

As you can see, Strabo 7.5.2
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/7E*.html
is the only source on where the boundary between Boii and Burebista's realm was was.

George Knysh had an idea that Burebistas and Ariovistus were competitors in slaving operations; if Manching were a emporium for slave trading, it would be a tempting target for either party.
Cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppidum_of_Manching#Economy
'The large variety of keys and locks from the settlement is remarkable. They indicate that people had property worth protecting, and that the cohabitation of so many people in a small area made physical measures necessary to that effect. Different locks appear to have been used for gates, doors, or furniture.'


Torsten