Re: request to Celtic specialists

From: gknysh
Message: 68157
Date: 2011-11-01

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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>
> II. knøs en (dial., poet.) 'dreng, ung mand' [boy, young man];
> glda. knøs 'vild, ustyrlig mand', [wild, irrepressible man]
> no. dial. knøs 'overmodig, myndig, trodsig, stolt mand'.
> [superbuous, authoritative, defiant, proud man]

*****GK: I think you put this in because of some of our discussions (:=))

> Den da. og sv. forms -ø- kunne være udviklet af *-au- og være identisk med I. knøs; snarest er dog alle de nord. former af ens oprindelse:
> germ. *knōsia- 'fremstående person' [prominent person]
> i aflydsforh. til fx [in ablaut rel. to eg]
> sv. dial. knase 'dygtig, rig mand' [competenmt, rich man] og
> knast (s.d.).'

****GK: This I like better ...

> The interesting thing is that it seems documented from both Slavic and Germanic, but there is no Grimm-relation between the two word sets, which makes me suspect Venetic origin, also because of the form:
> CC-V´C-, from a root CVC-, like the Aestian (from Venetic) *glaz-

One of the wild ideas I had is that if the old meaning was related to bread products then it might have first arisen among agriculturalists, and if the Iranic and Celtic connections were true it might have been a borrowing into these very distinct pastoral communities from the non-Indo-European Trypilians (ta da!!). I still don't know if that East Iranic "kinesh" makes sense. The other senses I had started out with were: (1)the standard Jewish food (borrowed from older Ukrainian and Belorusian cuisine) which Rick McAllister mentioned (2) A borrowing from Byzantine Greek (this was the theory of the late Harvard Prof and Byzantine specialist Ihor Shevchenko== I found afterwards that Vasmer didn't think this was correct), and Shevch. was always gaga about the Byzantines anyway. (3) a borrowing from Turkic. This was repeated many times online but no one ever gave a source.

So the latest suggestions are very welcome alternatives. Maybe there's a genetic reason for my fascination with the Bastarnians (:=))

Thanks again all.