Re: The Finnic issue

From: dgkilday57
Message: 67809
Date: 2011-06-18

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> > I looked back in the archives. I think this
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66976
> > covers best what I think now. That would make the Sulones =
> > Souiones; the Phinnoi, being next, would then be the Aestians.
> > Also
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66981
> >
> > or the discussion starting here:
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66948
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > ****GK: The Finns as "Aestii" in the context of the Schutte etc.
> > emendations? Seems possible. But what do you make of Tacitus'
> > comment that their language was "Britannicae propior"? ****
>
> That at least part of the British population also spoke a Venetic lanuage, specifically that part which had been conquered by the Belgae, see Udolph's listing of *balg- toponyms in England in
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60821
> cf
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60815
>
> which unfortunately I haven't gotten around to translating yet.
>
> Note also
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Gwynedd
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/1159
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venta_Belgarum
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgae#Britain

I see no basis for Wikipedia's claim that <Venta> meant 'market', and Kitson's theory of extraction from suffixed names is implausible. But if the Belgae conquered the three towns named Venta from the Veneti, perhaps the original name was *Wenetja:, and this became in Belgic *Wentt(j)a with regular syncope and /j/-gemination (a feature later occurring in NWB-influenced West Germanic).

DGK