Re: The complexities of Bastarnia ii

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> > 2. Earlier Greek authors (e.g. Polybius, and Livy's source for the
> > 168 BCE events) counted the B. among the "Galatae", which may or
> > may not mean Celts.
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> Locus, please? I can't find it.
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> *****GK: Scratch Polybius (which was just an assumption based on his
> use of the term in other contexts, but his work is fragmentary).
> Diodorus Siculus (cf. his Book 5 from section 19 on) certainly, by
> implication, includes what we call "Germani" among the Gauls or
> Galatae.

By omitting them. The
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastorf_culture
certainly existed when
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diodorus_Siculus
wrote his
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_historica
(60-30 BCE).

> As to Livy: cf. 44,26-27. "Clondicus" from beyond the Danube
> reappears in 168 BCE as a potential ally of Perseus, but as a leader
> of "Gauls". BTW in the surviving Appian fragment on the same event,
> "Clondicus" becomes "Cloelius"

he is 'Claudicus' in Livy

> and the "Gauls/Galatae/Bastarnae" become... "Getae". But there are
> many problems with Appian's labelings.****

Such as?



Torsten