Re: An aside on Burebista

From: Torsten
Message: 67553
Date: 2011-05-13

> >
> > > I have to account for the large number of Germanic slaves (at
> > > least 30,000 under Crixus + 12,300 under Gannicus and Castus) in
> > > the
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Servile_War , (73-71 BCE).
> > > Since the Romans had had no war with Germani in the preceding
> > > time, these are most likely POWs from Burebista's victorious
> > > campaigns against the Germani, paid for by the coin hoards
> > > Crawford mentions.
> > ****GK: I haven't made a special study of this, but have you any
> > indication of the extent to which the Danubian Celts might have
> > been involved in the slave trade at that time? I.e. the Taurisci
> > and Boii and the Scordisci? And was the battle between Burebista
> > and Critasirus a conflict between conflicting slave traders? How
> > far would alternate merchants (Boian etc. need to travel to
> > market?) One usually buries hoards in times of trouble too... Just
> > a thought. But note also (cf.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii#cite_note-0

> that in the 2nd c. the Boii had expanded into Silesia, and were thus
> in a good position to do what you think Burebista did a little
> later... Which might be an explanation for your Crixus and Gannicus
> numbers.*****


Grand marronage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_(people)
is a hard life, you'd not expect people who'd been slaves longer than 10-15 years to do that. Which means that those who participated in Spartacus' rebellion were enslaved not before appr. 85-80 BCE at the earliest. After the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vercellae
there would have been plenty slaves for the Romans, but that was a long time ago, they would have been slaves for 30 years. The hoard finds in Dacia from 75-65 BCE seem to testify to a very temporary and slapdash affair, complete with counterfeit money, nothing sustainable.

But read
http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/5067/1/5067.pdf

It seems coins of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thasos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyrrachium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonia,_Thrace
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonia,_Illyria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_Prima#Macedonia_Prima
and various Greek Black Sea cities appear in Dacian hoards too, but in much smaller quantities than those of Republican denarii.


My scenario runs something like:

Harjogist in Silesia finds his way home to Bastarnia blocked by Burebista,
he and his Suebi, and the local Vangiones, Triboci and Nemetes plus the Slavic Charudes/Croats seek a different way out (thing are getting crowded in Przeworskia),
expands toward the southeast,
drives out the Boii,
receives an underhand offer from Caesar: wife plus Bavaria in return for aid during expected Roman civil strife after Pompey returns,
Caesar makes up with P.,
screws Harjogist,
H. attacks Gaul,
Caesar attacks H.,
H. returns with remaining Suebi to brother-in-law Voccio in Noricum,
deposits helmet,
both ally with Boii under Critasirus,
attacks Burebista to get home,
dies.


Torsten