Re: An aside on Burebista

From: Torsten
Message: 67549
Date: 2011-05-13

> >
> > Yes. The whole quote is:
> > http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/Goths/Goths1.htm
> > 'Dehinc, regnante Gothis Burebista, Decaeneus venit in Gothiam,
> > quo tempore Romanorum Sulla potitus est principatu. uem Decaeneum
> > suscipiens, Burebistas dedit ei paene regiam potestatem; cujus
> > consilio Gothi Germanorum terras, quas nunc Franci obtinent,
> > populati sunt.'
> >
> > "Then when Burebistas was king of the Goths, Decaeneus came to
> > Gothia at the time when Sulla ruled the Romans [ca. 82-79 B.C.].
> > Burebistas received Decaeneus and gave him almost royal power. It
> > was by his advice the Goths ravaged the lands of the Germans,
> > which the Franks now possess."
>
> ****GK: Clarify please. How does Bastarnia relate to "the lands of
> the Germans, which the Franks now possess."*****
>

I occurred also to me recently that Cassiodorus/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes /
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiodorus
might have meant the Germani/Sciri/Cimbri in Przeworsk, not the Bastarnae. As for 'which the Franks now possess', I think that was added by Jordanes as an explanation.
Here is what the Franks possessed at various times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frankish_Empire_481_to_814-en.svg ,
cf that with the date of Cassiodorus' Gothic History (526-533) and Jordanes' abridgment of it (551).

Taken literally, the most recent territorial acquisition by the Franks relative to the above dates is that of Swabia, or perhaps of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Saxony ,
cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlothar_I
Cf that with the text of Trithemius
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/23719
'cum maxima pugnatoru~ exercitu Saxonum fines ingressus'


Torsten