Re: The Bastarnians

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> Still not quite ready. Am rereading some literature. A few of my
> earlier positions will be changed, on the basis of better source
> analysis. The most important change: I was doubtful of Schukin's
> claim that the archaeological equivalent of the Bastarnians was not
> just Poeneshti-Lukashovka but P/L + Zarubyntsi (=the Zarubinian
> culture). Apparently this is correct. The latest opus on the
> Zarubinian culture, written by none other than Pachkova (the best
> expert on Poeneshti-Lukashovka), and published in Kyiv in 2006 ("The
> Zarubinian culture and the LaTenized cultures of Europe" /in
> Russian/, nearly 400 pp.) establishes two fundamentally important
> facts beyond discussion (some had been mentioned before but not
> defended as convincingly). (1) The fibulae of the Zarubinians were
> developed (entirely!) from Scordiscan models (unlike those of the
> Poeneshti-Lukashovka groups; about the Peucini there is no
> archaeological evidence as I mentioned). (2) The burial rite
> of the Zarubinians (and she studies this very precisely) had 62 of
> 78 Scordiscan markers. Her conclusion: it is the Zarubinians rather
> than the Poeneshti-Lukashovkans who participated in the Bastarnian
> Balkan campaigns of 179-168 BCE (as�noted in Livy 40, 41, and 45),
> and whose elite could make itself understood by the Scordiscan Celts
> (she thinks the warriors imported Scordiscan ladies to their land).
> So when discussing the Bastarnians one must take into account not
> just Poeneshti-Lukashovka, but even more= Zarubinia... (I haven't
> read Pachkova directly, and am relying on a number of explanatory
> references in Kazakevich's 2009 article). One question comes to
> mind: Would Strabo's 7.3.17 text apply to this adequately? I.e.
> would Atmones and Sidones point to P/L and Zar.?

Or would the Atmones and Sidones point to Zar. and the Peucini to P/L?

> His information here (in any case) is about the situation of ca. 100
> BCE, or generally from the time of Mithradates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographica
'Work can have begun on it no earlier than 20 BC. A first edition was published in 7 BC followed by a gap, resumption of work and a final edition no later than 23 AD... .'

Strabo Geographica 7.1.13
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/7C*.html
'In the interior dwell, first, those Bastarnians whose country borders on that of the Tyregetans and Germans â€" they also being, one might say, of Germanic stock; and they are divided up into several tribes, for a part of them are called Atmoni and Sidoni, while those who took possession of Peuce, the island in the Ister, are called "Peucini," whereas the "Roxolani" (the most northerly of them all) roam the plains between the Tanaïs and the Borysthenes.'

The question is: when did the Peucini take possession of Peuce? After they were split off from the Atmoni and Sidoni by Burebista (or the Carpi?) or sooner? And what are those Thracian Sithones and Galaioi doing on the Aegean?


Torsten