--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> I think Pekkanen already answered the question of the name type status for 'Bastarnae' by pointing out that it occurs double names like 'Scytae Bastarnae', which would then mean "Bastard Scythians".
****GK: I prefer the meaning "Bastarnian Scythians" where "Scythian" has become an omnium gatherum and the real specification is "Bastarnian" in a non-insulting sense.****
> Note 'Î³Î±Î»Î¬ÏÎ±Ï..., Î²Î±ÏÏÎÏÎ½Î±Î¹ ÎºÎ±Î»Î¿Ï ~Î½ÏÎ±Î¹' "Galatians, who are called Basternae". Again, they have a name, and then they are called something (nut not to their face).
****GK: Same thing. One might think of "Galatians who are called Scordisci" or "Galatians who are called Taurisci" or the like.****
> The translations in the text sometimes translate 'Î³Î±Î»Î¬ÏÎ±Î¹' as "Gauls", I've kept that, you should compare with the original.
> As you see in the beginning of that posting I have proposed a Germanic *ga-lin-d- "ge-bund-en, bound, tied" as an etymology for the Galindai, and since the Northern West Germanic unfree underclass is called laeti (Low German, like North Germanic and Modern English has no equivalent of ga- in such past participles), I propose that the Galatians are from an n-less *ga-lae-t-, another descendant of the Proto-Germanic(?) word from which also Galindai stems.
*****GK: The historical Galindi are a Baltic (in the sense of Letto-Lithuanian) tribe. There's nothing particularly "unfree" about them. And, interestingly, their easternmost group resided in the Moscow area, as late as the 12th c. (=Golyad' in Slavic).****
> Thus, the Sciri and Galatians of the Protogenes decree is actually that eternal duality Sciri and Bastarnae.
****GK: My view is that the later "Bastarnae" = Sciri+Galatians, "bound" in the non-derogatory sense, and still clearly distinguished in the Decree. The Galatians were not too numerous it seems. Some place names remain, and a few material objects. There were less of them than of symbiotic Illyrians (or Venedics) whose contribution to toponyms and hydronyms is even more noticeable than that of the Yastorfers.****
> And more generally, this means that whenever we meet the derogatory exonym 'Bastarnae' in the ancient sources,
****GK: I don't know of any such clearly derogatory use of the term (other than latter day reinterpretations).******
we can never be sure that it is not referring to a people we know from elsewhere, under an endonym, their 'real' name. And, mutatis mutandis, similarly for 'Sciri' and its relatives.