Re: Satarchae, Sadagarii, Sagartioi, Sargetae, Asagarta; ÁsgarÃ

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> Tuomo Pekkanen
> The Ethnic Origins of the δουλοσποροι
> pp 144-149
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> 'THE SATARCHAE - SADAGARII

****GK: I agree that the Satarchae are "Royal Scythians" (in part at least, viz., those called "Spali" (= "Pali" without the prefix). But I don't accept the idea that Satarchae= Sadagarii. And I don't think that Satarchae is the same as Herodotus' Sagartioi. I'm still looking for a correct etymology of "Satarchae". I suppose that Sat- + archai(ioi) would be too simplistic not to say dilettantic... What would Sat- stand for? Or would it be Sata- archioi where Sata is the plural of Sa- which stands for (k)Sai = 'kings' = "the old kings" i.e. the Royal Scythians (Pali) who switched their main abode to Central Asia near 300 BCE (that seems quite certain), and returned to their classical haunts in the first part of the 2nd c. BCE? I wonder.

Some additional source material:

Ptolemy mentions a town in the Crimea named "Satarche" (G. III,6).
Mordvintseva notes in her article that her colleague Y. Zajcev has found an inscription of the 2nd c. BCE in Skilur's capital Neapolis, referring to the "Satarchai".
Pomponius Mela notes them as indifferent to gold and money.
And Solinus (Pliny's editor) adds them to the list of peoples who resided on the Iaxartes shortly after 300 BCE..

I would definitely like to know the difference between the Satarchei Spalei and the Satarchei Hernichei (Pliny)*****