Re: Schöffe I (a few details on OHG)

Am 30.04.2011 11:50, schrieb Torsten:

> "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > >So you're saying there was a settlement boom in Transylvania in
> > > > >the 16th-17th centuries?
> >
> > > > No boom, but the spreading of such suffixes as a... fad.
>
> > >I don't get it. If there was no settlement boom, then the boom of
> > >new -eşti names would have spread in existing settlements.
> >
> > Imagine a gradual "growth": after the first mentioning of
> > such place names, a *gradual* increase in number in a long
> > period of time: several centuries. Do not imagine a boom as
> > if a massive immigration had taken place (in 1-2-3 years)
> > (as if many people had run thither upon hearing one had
> > found... gold! :))
>
> Oh, it was a slow... fad.
> Bucureşti 1459
> Plorescht 1503
> lasting until today.
>
> > All written material (from a long period of time = centuries)
> > show that the place names with this ending are a quite late
> > occurrence.
>
> Except for Bucharest and Ploeşti?

it is hard to provide ad hoc datas when one does not work in a field of
activity which has to do with the "first atestation of a locality":-))
Ploieshti and Bucuresthi are in South East of Romania.. if we go further
North to Moldavia, there are also cities which ends in Eshti.
For instance, the locality Albeshti(Albu+eshti) was menstioned with the
first name Rãdeshti (Radu[?] + eshti) in 1493

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albe%C8%99ti,_Vaslui

going toward West into Transilvania, there is the city Albeshti (
actually Albeshti appears to a very used within all Romania). This city
has been mentioned on 1231 having a latin name Alba Ecclesia..
In Transilvania is a bit difficult to find some old valahian names
because there have been used the Latin language, Ungarian language and
the German language, the valahian language beeing disconsidered and not
used in official documents.

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albe%C8%99ti,_Mure%C8%99


The locality of Calimaneshti has been mentioned first on 1388 in a
letter of the King Mircea cel Batran..


well, I guess there are plenty of details so far ....

Alex