Re: Tudrus

From: t0lgsoo1
Message: 67049
Date: 2011-01-07

>Do you have documentation (Beleg) for your 'OHG trahho'
>or are you assuming it existed? And for the extra -t- of
>antrahho?

Source: Wahrig: Deutsches Wörterbuch, ISBN 3-570-03648-0,
Jubiläumsausgabe, Bertelsmann Lexikon-Verlag, 1991

Namely:

*'En-te-rich* (m. 1) /männl. Ente; Sy Erpel/ [ < ahd. /anutrehho/
< /*anut-trahho/ 1. Teil: -> /Ente/, 2. Teil: < westgerm.
/*drako/ "Männchen", engl. /drake/ "Enterich"]

(Sy = Synonym; ahd. = OHG)

>lty. *antke = lty. a:nk, antje, dimin. till lty. ant (se and).'
>
>From *antika- ? It's grammatically a feminine in -a.

These would correspond to *Antchen, Antlein (Entchen,
Entlein).

>It umlauts in ON: o,nd/endr (still in Danish: and/ænder).

Umlaut?! Then standard German Ente would also be an
Umlaut: the appropriate spelling would be Änte (but the
pronunciation would be the same).

>Assuming paradigm regularization we could get both
>Ant'(?)/Anten and Ente/Enten.

But in South-German Bavarian the <a> in Ant'n is [a], i.e.
no Umlaut. (Similar occurrence: German schwer is in
Franconian (North of the Bavarian dialect) schwar [Sva:r].)

>Da. tå

What is the pronunciation of å? As in British English in
not, hot? Or a bit closer to [a]? Or a bit closer to [o]?

BTW, are there in Danish words akin to Ger. Talp, Dalp,
Tapf (stapf), Taps, tapsig? (In the context of Pfote, paw,
Sohle, sole. And... pat(t), pata-.)

#

As for "tudrus": should we think of the Avar (title, rank) yugurush?
(Or yugrush.) (The highest ranks in the Avar kaganate were
yugurush and tudun.)

George