Re: 'dyeus'

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 66500
Date: 2010-08-30

Gamkrelidze and Ivanov claim(ed) that Gutian is related to Tokharian. Unfortunately for me, they did so in Russian. Is there anything to their claim or is it a crock of bolshevik?

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Gutian language

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The Gutian language was spoken by the Gutians or Guteans, an ancient people who lived in the territory between the Zagros and the Tigris, present-day Iran, around 2100 BCE, and who briefly ruled over Sumer.

Nothing is known about the language except its existence and a list of Gutian ruler names in the Sumerian king list. The existence is attested by a list of languages spoken in the region, found in a clay tablet from the Middle Babylonian period presumably originating from the city of Imar,[1]:p.13, which also lists Akkadian, Amorite, Sutean, "Subarean" (Hurrian), and Elamite. There is also record of "an interpreter for the Gutean language" at Adab.[2][3]

The Gutian king names from the Sumerian list are Inkishush, Zarlagab, Shulme (or Yarlagash), Silulumesh (or Silulu), Inimabakesh (or Duga), Igeshaush (or Ilu-An), Yarlagab, Ibate, Yarla (or Yarlangab), Kurum, Apilkin, La-erabum, Irarum, Ibranum, Hablum, Puzur-Suen, Yarlaganda, Si-um (?), and Tirigan. Based on these names, some scholars claim that the Gutian language was neither Semitic nor Indo-European, and was unrelated to the languages spoken around it.[1].

However, according to T. Gamkrelidze and V. Ivanov, Gutian language was close to Tocharian languages of the Indo-European family[4]

The historical Guti have been widely regarded as among the ancestors of the Kurds, including by the modern Kurds themselves.[8] However, in the late 19th-century, Assyriologist Julius Oppert sought to connect the Gutians of remote antiquity with the later Gutones (Goths), whom Ptolemy in 150 AD had known as the Guti, a tribe of Scandia. Oppert's theory on this connection is not shared by many scholars today, in the absence of further evidence.[5]

References

  1. ^ a b Wolfgang Heimpel (2003), Letters to the King of Mari: A New Translation, with Historical Introduction, Notes, and Commentary. Eisenbrauns. ISBN 1575060809, 9781575060804; 657 pages
  2. ^ Claus Wilcke (2007), Early Ancient Near Eastern Law: A History of Its Beginnings : the Early Dynastic and Sargonic Periods. Eisenbrauns. 204 pages. ISBN 1575061325, 9781575061320
  3. ^ Yang (1989), Was Adab the home of the Gutean king Erridupizzir who left 3 inscriptions at Nippur stil copied there in OB schools (Frayne 1993, 20-228)?, A956; OIP vol. 14 no. 80, p. 2.
  4. ^ Гамкрелидзе Т. В., Иванов Вяч. Вс. Первые индоевропейцы на арене истории: прототохары в Передней Азии // Вестник древней истории. 1989. № 1.
  5. ^ 'Trapped Between the Map and Reality: Geography and Perceptions of Kurdistan', by Maria T. O'Shea, 2004 p. 66