Res: Res: [tied] Re: 'dyeus'

From: stlatos
Message: 66299
Date: 2010-07-12

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> The only planet that seems to have been consistently named in Northern
> Europe was Venus, especially in its capacity as the "morning star", and
> its names are transparently derived from the term for 'east, morning'
> (*h2aus[s]-ro-), hence also Germanic *aura-wanðilaz 'eastern wanderer' >
> OE e:arendel (the details will be laid out in my forthcoming article).
>
> Piotr
>


What reason do you have for deriving this from 'eastern' instead of 'morning', since, as you said/implied, "morning star" is so common a term? If so, the -r- is from -s.- not -s.r.-.

The -t- in 'eastern' may not come from -s.r.- at all since it is a derivative of 'morning', a word ending in -wó:s with f/t* (dental) alt. (which words I believe you said probably came from T > s/t in PIE, with no f, etc., mentioned). The -t- is also found in some l. in which there is reason to think no sr>str took place, like Sl * utro.


The order like:


xa_us.wát*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.wát*+xài
xa_us.wát*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.wat*+xài
xa_us.wát*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.w0t*+xài
xa_us.wát*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.u0t*+xài
xa_us.wát*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài
xa_us.wás*s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.us*+xài
xa_us.wáss xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.us*+xài
xa_us.wáss xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uT+xài
xa_us.wás: xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uT+xài
xa_us.wá:s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uT+xài
xa_us.wá:s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uf+xài
xa_us.wá:s xa_us.wát*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uf+xài
xe_us.wó:s xe_us.wót*+ xe_us.ut*+xèi xa_us.uf+xèi
xa_us.wó:s xa_us.wót*+ xa_us.ut*+xài xa_us.uf+xài


xa_us.wó:s (nom);
xa_us.wóf+ \ -t*+;
xa_us.uf+ \ -t*+ (weak);


Then >> 'eastern', a derivative of 'morning':


xa_us.uf+
>>
xa_us.ufn.ó+

xa_us.ut*+
>>
xa_us.ut*n.ó+


In various IE:


xa_us.ufn.ó+
xa_us.us*n.ó+
xa_us.us.n.ó+
xa_us.n.ó+ (hap.)
xa_us.r.ó+


xa_us.ut*n.ó+
xa_us.ut*r.ó+
xa_us.üt*r.ó+
xa_us.ït*r.ó+
xa_us.ët*r.ó+
xa_us.t*r.ó+
xa_us.t.r.ó+

(or just u-u dis., maybe for both)


Also, the -w- is difficult to detect since most l. have:

xa_us.wó:s
xa_ws.wó:s
xa_ws.ó:s dis.


but in:

xa_us.wó+ 'gold-colored / gold'

xa_us.wyó+ 'gold in (the earth) / ore'

xa_us.wyó+
xa_us.wiyó+
xa_us.uwiyó+
xa_us.ugWiyó+
...
awsugWiy
awsukWiy
awsëkWiy
aws_kWiy
awskWiy
awskWi
auskWi

oski Arm.

and

awskWi
waskWi [met]

vaski 'copper' Fin.

etc.