Re: New way of getting Goth-

>Erh, but I said exactly the opposite, namely that it did.

Oops! :-) (I should observe the principle: "Eile mit Weile". :))

>And from Östergötland, Västergötland, Jutland? If *Kud- meant "hut"
>or "home", then the name of the Goths meant "the aboriginals", and >there is no need to posit a cruise from Gotland.

By the way, is there any linguistic link Goth <-> Jüte (jysk)?
(I'm influenced by the North German phenomenon: "janz jut,
jestern, Jans, Jurke, Jott, Jeck". :))

>Here's my take on 'Langobard'
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60000

BTW, Mr. Udolph is a frequent guest in radio & TV talk-shows
(where he answers questions regarding onomastics and toponyms),
in Germany.

As for those "waard-" words, a similar interpretation is there in
the cases of Hungarian toponyms containing vár [va:r] "Burg,
fortress, citadel" and its derivates, esp. várda and várad. In
medieval documents Latinized e.g. as Varadinum/Waradinum,
and in German (up to day) adapted as Wardein. (I suppose
Hungarian < PIE uer (wer), akin to Germ. Wehr.)

>Here's how Odin named them

What's the intermediate conclusion after many years of research?
Was Odin/Uuodan an Alan princeling? :-) (Or even descendant
of the Scythian-Turkic "royal clan" of Ashina. Or an ancestor
to the Hunic prince Uldin (around AD400)? :))

>The Vandals prepared for war and consulted Godan (the god Odin),

Heil'ger Bimbam! Then Goths might have been Odin's own
children/people! :)

>who answered that he would give the victory to those whom he
>would see first at sunrise. The Winnili were fewer in number and
>Gambara sought help from Frea (the goddess Frigg), who advised that
>all Winnili women should tie their hair in front of their faces like
>beards and march in line with their husbands. So it came that Godan
>spotted the Winnili first, and asked, "Who are these long-beards?"
>and Frea replied, "My lord, thou hast given them the name, now
>give them also the victory." From that moment onwards,

This might be one of those numerous popular explanations, legends,
via "Volksetymologie" (the same way as Jordanes thought Getae
were the ancestors of Goths).

>the Winnili were known as the Langobards (Latinised and Italianised
>as Lombards).'

AFAIK, Langobards belonged to the Suebian group.

>in my interpretation a pun on their supposed origin way out in the
>sticks on the platteland and on their Venetic pronunciation of
>Germanic /w/ as /b/ or /g/ (hardening/Verschärfung).

And /j/. These oscillations are still "alive 'n' kickin'" in modern
German, i.e., in German dialects. (E.g. in various German
dialects "aber" is pronounced "awwer", "lieber" - "liewer/leewer",
"Teufel" - "Deibel, Deiwel", "jetzt" - "getz", "Taube" - "Duwe" etc.)

>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/57554

You assume that some of the "Wenden/Windischen" weren't
Slavs, but some Germanic population, perhaps those Winn'le
"Langbärte"? Even... Vandals? (The German 2nd name Wünsche
belongs to the Windisch group as well; it has nothing to do
with "Wunsch".)

George