Res: [tied] Another lame idea on Slavic migration and Ariovistus

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 66142
Date: 2010-05-13

Cimberius = Cymry?
Nasuas < *nes- to save? cf. Nasatya, Nestor? <*Naswant-?

JS Lopes



De: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 13 de Maio de 2010 6:08:32
Assunto: [tied] Another lame idea on Slavic migration and Ariovistus

 



As some may have noted I think the Slavs spread to their present sites as the Charudes (= Croats) of Ariovistus' army. Here comes something in the same vein:

Caesar, DBG, 1, 37
'Haec eodem tempore Caesari mandata referebantur et legati ab Haeduis et a Treveris veniebant: Haedui questum quod Harudes, qui nuper in Galliam transportati essent, fines eorum popularentur: sese ne obsidibus quidem datis pacem Ariovisti redimere potuisse; Treveri autem, pagos centum Sueborum ad ripas Rheni consedisse, qui Rhemum transire conarentur; his praeesse Nasuam et Cimberium fratres. '

"At the same time that this message was delivered to Caesar, ambassadors came from the Aedui and the Treviri; from the Aedui to complain that the Harudes, who had lately been brought over into Gaul, were ravaging their territories; that they had not been able to purchase peace from Ariovistus, even by giving hostages: and from the Treviri, [to state] that a hundred cantons of the Suevi had encamped on the banks of the Rhine, and were attempting to cross it; that the brothers, Nasuas and Cimberius, headed them."

AFAIK, there exists no satisfying etymology, Germanic or otherwise, for a name 'Nasua'.

But:
Polish naswa,
Czech název,
Slovak názov
Slovenian naziv
Serbian naziv
(Bulgarian nazvanie) "name" (from *na-zUvati "call, name" vel sim.)

So what I think happened was that hundred villages of Slavic Charudes (led by Suevi) were attempting to cross the Rhine headed by Ariovistus(?) brother, named Cimberius, and that the message got garbled on its way through translators.

Torsten