Res: [tied] Re: marko- = horse non IE ?

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 66114
Date: 2010-05-04

Is Latin da:(m)ma akin to Greek damale "young cow" and Celtic dam ? Any relation to *demh2- "to tame" ?

JS Lopes



De: Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 3 de Maio de 2010 10:06:07
Assunto: [tied] Re: marko- = horse non IE ?

 

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Cuadrado" <dicoceltique@ ...> wrote:

>
> Hello i would like to come back
to topic Marko = Horse
>
> * Celtic/Germanic Marko- = Horse
>
* Romanian Murg- = Horse
> * Romanian Magar = Donkey and Serbo-Croatian
Magarac = Donkey =
> Metathesis Magar->Makar>Mark- ?
> *
Bulgarian MARAPE (cyrillic caracters) = Donkey
> * Sanskrit Marga/Mrga =
Kinf of antilope and Markata = Spider/Monkey
>
> * Baltic Marg-/=
Ox/Cow/Dog
> * Turkish Merkep = Donkey/Horse
>
>
asiatic
> Mandchou Morin = Horse
> Japan Ma = Horse
> Corean
Mal = Horse
> Chinese Ma = Horse
> Tibetan = Mrah =
Horse
>
--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@ ...> wrote:
>
> obviously *marko in PIE
is borrowed from *mor- and suffixed PIE-way, like por-kos.
> The change o > a suggests Germanic can be the intermediate between Central Asia and
Celtic.

IMHO, *marko- 'horse' (hardly a PIE word) isn't a Wanderwort from Altaic *mor- 'horse' as in  communis opinio but an old (Mesolithic/ Upper Paleolithic) substrate item related to Altaic *n^argu 'young male deer/elk'. I call "Paleo-European" the substrate language(s) from which originated this kind of LW.

Apparently, Paleo-Eurasian (my own version of Russian school's Eurasiatic) initials nasal *n-, *n^- were labialized in Paleo-European as *m- before back vowels /o,u/ (sometimes also before /a/), as in *moro- 'blackberry' ~ Altaic *nur^i- 'a k. of berry, grape' (cfr. Hittite muri- '(bunch of) grapes'), and denasalized as *d- elsewhere, as in Latin da:m(m)a 'fallow deer' ~ Altaic *n^àme 'goat, deer'.