Re: Res: [tied] Re: (was Latin Honor < ?) Bestia

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 66010
Date: 2010-03-20




From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 3:27:57 PM
Subject: Res: [tied] Re: (was Latin Honor < ?) Bestia

 

venus > venustus
vetus > vetustus
honor > honestus
fu:nus > fu:nestus
intus* > *intestus > intestinus
favor > *fauestos > faustus
nemus > nemestrinus
scelus > scelestus
modus > modestus
cruor > crusta
robur > rubustus
ru:s > ru:sticus
*augos > augustus (cf. ojas)
*angos > angustus
*lo:cos ? > locusta (cf. lacerta? <*lacus, *laceris)

It's curious the looping derivation:

subst. modus > adj. modestus > subst. modestia
subst. honor > adj. honestus > subst. honestitas

JS Lopes

and if you have a sense of humor, you can add langosta and mangosta --I'm guessing they're the same in Portuguese as in Spanish



De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@... com>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Sábado, 20 de Março de 2010 14:33:28
Assunto: [tied] Re: (was Latin Honor < ?) Bestia

 



--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@.. .> wrote:
>
> That's a great explanation for Latin <be:stia>
> *dweyos, g. dweyesos > *dueios > Old Latin *beius, *beus, *bius, *beio:r
> *dweye-to > *dweye(s)-to > *dueiestos > *Old Latin *be:stus
>
> but... *dweyesto- would mean "frighten" and not "frightful", wouldn't it?

As with *genh1es-, *genh1os 'that which is generated, kind, type', the original sense of *dweyes-, *dweyos would be 'that which is feared, something frightful'. The Italic adjective *dweyestos (I see no reason for *dweye-to-) would then mean 'associated with something frightful', i.e. 'frightening' . In this explanation it would refer to a particularly large or vicious animal. The form <be:stia> appears to be a collective used as a singular, parallel to the Hebrew pluralis magnitudinis of 'behemoth', used as 'very large animal' and construed as a singular.

I am indebted to Harold Whitehall of the WNWD for this derivation of <be:stia> from *dwey-, though I had to supply the details. Usually HW provides no further information on Latin words not directly related to native Germanic words in English.

DGK



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