Re: World Loanword Database

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 65794
Date: 2010-02-05




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Subject: RE: [tied] World Loanword Database

 

>The World Loanword Database allows users to find loanwords, source words and donor languages in each of the 41 languages,

 

My goodness!  How does it cope with English?  And how does it decide when a word is naturalised?  For example, is “wine” given as a Latin loan word in English?  The concept of loan word versus native word is a very German way of thinking.  There, books of loan words, with the native word equivalent, are available in bookshops.  In English the status of words as loans is so unclear that such a way of thinking doesn’t reflect the way the language works.  For example, how many people think of “shampoo” or “pyjamas” as loan words?  And when a word is borrowed three times with different meanings (e.g. gentle, jaunty, genteel) can it cope?

  I enjoyed the site but had the same qualms. I checked out a Berber language for loan words from Spanish. It arbitrarily limits contact with Spanish to after 1900 --which is a fallacy, given that there has more or less always been contact between Spain and Morocco. I also wondered how many of the words were actually from Sabir or North African Romance --which disappeared sometime between 800-1600. 

BTW: Do we even have written documents or texts in North African Romance?