Re: Nordwestblock, Germani, and Grimm's law

From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 6:38:23 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Nordwestblock, Germani, and Grimm's law

> > > The gen. of Etr. <lautn> is <lautnes>. The late-archaic Tile
> > > of Capua has <lautun> not <lautn> because its orthography does
> > > not allow syllabic resonants. The dyslexic form <lavutn> (for
> > > *lavtun) occurs in a funerary inscription. Anyhow, try not to
> > > confuse variants of the zero-case with the genitive.
> >
> > I'll pass that admonishment on to Glen Gordon
> > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/5297
> > or perhaps the Bonfantes.
>
> Don't bother. You can't rehabilitate shoehorn freaks like GG.

Too bad he's not around anymore. You and he would have very interesting and entertaining discussions over that.

> The Bonfantes are usually reliable and I wonder whether they have
> been cited accurately here.

Only one way to find out.

One of my daughters studied Etruscan Civilization with Larissa Bonfante and said she had fits whenever anyone even mentioned anything speculative about the language

> > > This is one of a handful of Etr. words which I argued on
> > > sci.lang in 2002 were borrowed from a pre-Italic IE language.
> > > Originally <lautn> was something like 'body of freemen'; the IE
> > > root is *h2leudH-. If Gmc. *le:Tigaz corresponds to anything
> > > in Etr. it is not <lautn> but the unrelated <Lethe>, the name
> > > sometimes bestowed upon freedmen.
>
> Oops! That should be *h1leudH- of course. The Etr. base *sacn- is
> more difficult, but I think it is also borrowed from pre-Italic IE,
> with Lat. <sa:nus> (from *sagH-nos) as a cognate. Anyone familiar
> with the Etr. corpus will reject Gordon's /n/-genitive nonsense.
>
> > Assuming of course that these are not wanderwords from *Lun,-, cf
> > the thread in
> > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/10861
>
> Occam would puke.

Occam would love me. So much explained from so few entibus! Whatever extra in the sociology/ethnology department has to be accepted would have to be assumed to explain the distribution of *kaN-t-, and further *saxn- (vel sim).

Torsten