Sorry, no Sarmatians in Przeworsk (Was:Re: Morimarusa)

From: Torsten
Message: 65671
Date: 2010-01-17

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> > This fellow is indeed quite hopeless...
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > > GK: The problem with you ,Torsten, is that you seem incapable
> > > of understanding that what you consider "disproof" is
> > > scientifically inadequate.
> >
> > I haven't said anything of what I consider 'disproof', so I
> > wonder what that's supposed to mean.
> >
> > > The standard view, which apparently dissatisfies you, is that
> > > there is no evidence of any significant Sarmatian influx into
> > > the area of the Przeworsk culture. You have been unable to
> > > point to anything except "inhumations" , and that per se, is
> > > not a defining Sarmatian trait.
> >
> > 1) the suddenly appearing upper layer in Przeworsk is
> > characterized by inhumation and expensive Roman grave goods.
> >
> > 2) the graves of the Golden Cemetery are characterized by
> > inhumation and expensive Roman grave goods.
> >
> > Nothing characteristically 'Sarmatian' about either.
> >
> >
> > Cf.
> > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/64735
> >
> > The Przeworsk inhumations are not of any known Sarmatian type,
> > unlike those of the Kuban. Elementary science, too complicated
> > for our Odin fan.
>
> Your evidence for that is that in
> http://kronk.narod.ru/library/guschina-zasetskaya-1994.htm
> there appears a line
> Priloz^enie 2. Svodnaja tablitsa po dannym pogrebIlanyx sooruz^enij
> katakombnogo tipa
> or, according to Google translate (slightly improved)
> Appendix 2. Summary table of data of burial structures of the
> catacomb type.
> which you take to prove that the Kuban graves were of the catacomb
> type. Maybe you should read the book first?
>
>
> ****GK: The tables of contents is clear enough.

That's a no, then. I'll see if I can get it.

> There is an abundant literature on "catacomb type" graves of the
> late BCE and early CE in Eastern Europe. They are Alanic. And there
> is also a literature on other Sarmatian grave types. Maybe you
> should read this.

I think I'll start with the above.

> Then you would not automatically say
> "Sarmatians!" when reading of "inhumations" ... Ooops. my mistake.
> Of course you would, you can't help it. The Odin scenario requires
> it.*****

But that's what I said all the time: I'm trying to see if there is a scenario which take the those Medieval chronicles into account, specifically Snorri and Saxo. It seems to me there are three possible points in time where it could have taken place:

1) around 80-70 BCE (the Ariovistus option)
2) around 50 CE (the collapse of Vannius' state)
3) around 200 CE (after the Marcomannic wars)


Torsten