The spread of Germanic (Was Re: Morimarusa)

From: Torsten
Message: 65659
Date: 2010-01-16

--- In, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > (2) Przeworsk itself was earlier Germanized by Yastorf elements
> > coming in from the West and Northwest.
> That's where I'm not so certain. If Celtic was an elite language,
> who knows what language the masses of Przeworsk spoke before the
> invasion of the inhumating people.
> ****GK: Whatever that language was ("Venedic" perhaps) it was
> submerged by incoming Yastorf influence (we know there was no
> Przeworsk before that happened)whose language was just as
> prestigious as Celtic.

Is this a linguistic thesis you propose?

> The "invasion of the inhumating people" is a fantasy which exists
> only in your brain.


> The Bastarnians had chieftains with Germanic names in the early 2nd
> c. BCE,
I have proposed to explain the Bastarnian names Clonix and Clondicus on the basis of a Grimm-shifted root that would exist in Germanic otherwise only as a loan from a substrate language of people connected with amber-mining. On the basis of that Bastarnian seems to have been para-Germanic. We reached that conclusion years ago. What do you think you achieve with a behavior like that?

> and their culture (Poeneshti-Lukashivka) was created by the same
> Yastorf impulses which produced Przeworsk and Oksywie. The carriers
> were known as "Sciri" to the people of Olbia as early as 240
> BCE.*****

It seems you are arguing here against the origin of Germanic coming in from the east. But the inhumating invaders would have spoken either an Iranian language, or, if they were former mercenaries for the Romans (cf. the Golden Cementery), Latin. The candidates for the title of ancestor of the Przeworsk language are:

1) Jastorf
2) Some previously existing language in the Przeworsk area.