From: dgkilday57
Message: 65635
Date: 2010-01-14
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:Elmet appears to be Brittonic (or at any rate to have a Brittonic suffix, with the tree-name translated into OE), hence its isolated form.
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We can leave -l/-n alternation out of consideration as a
> > > diagnostic, but we still have the association with the -et-
> > > collective suffix, otherwise most connected with tree and plant
> > > names of dubious ancestry, cf Udolph
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/57163
> > > and with settlements which would have been caught in the middle
> > > between a northern and a southern branch of Germanic expansion
> > > from Przeworsk (Suevi)
> > > http://tinyurl.com/ydcsm68
> > > (thus Venetic?)
> >
> > Regarding the map, I will need to look in detail at the English
> > place-names cited by Udolph (unless Brian has already done so).
> > Anyhow, this suffix also forms denominative abstracts like OE
> > <the:owet> 'servitude', so I would not bet too heavily on
> > <himilizzi> as a collective, now that <Elmet> is out of the picture.
> >
>
> Why is Elmet out of the picture? Because it's Brittonic (or a substrate thereof)? If so, it's only out of the picture if the ancestry of himilizzi is straightforwardly Germanic.