Re: WHAT HUMAN NEED TRIGERRED THE NEED OF A VOCAL-LEARNING ARTIFACT?

From: ehlsmith
Message: 65402
Date: 2009-11-10

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
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> SO THE LANGUAGE DIDN'T EVOLVE FROM MANUAL GESTURES!

How so? As I understand it, defects in the FOXP2 gene in modern humans lead to defects in syntax use, not to neuro-muscular problems in the vocal tract. And the advantages to social animals from increased communiction ability would accrue for both vocal or manual communication systems. So the data would be consistent with either a hypothesis of vocal origins only, or of a vocal system evolving from a syntax-using gestural system.

Ned Smith


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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@> wrote:
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> > > ---------------> It was a time of a mixed organization for Humans
> > > a) the territory of a single Human Family was preserved and remained large
> > > b) but the Humans Families needed to meet together, from time to time, finally in order to can survive --> this means --> in order to succeed in some delicate operations:
> > > - hunting (maybe the humans became hunters only at this moment too: remember one FOXP2 mutation is shared with the Carnivores) and
> > > - to can defend together against different natural enemies.
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> > A VOCAL-LEARNING SYSTEM COULD APPEAR
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> > --> IN THE TRANSITION PERIOD: FROM A FAMILY GROUP TO A LARGER LIVING GROUP
> > --> IN A SITUATION, WHERE THE FAMILIES ARE STILL SEPARATED ONE FROM THE OTHERS, BY RELATIVELY BIG DISTANCES
> > --> BUT THEY NEED TO REUNITE IN LARGER-LIVING-GROUPS FROM TIME-TO-TIME DUE TO A STRONG SURIVAL PRESSURE (predators, foods)
> > --> AND THEN, THEY SEPARATE AGAIN, COMING BACK INSIDE THEIR FAMILY AREAL
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> >
> > PLEASE READ THE COST AND BENEFITS OF LARGER-LEAVING-GROUPS
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> > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W-UQNoxMONwC&pg=PA199&dq=Cetacean+societies:+Group+Living+Connor#v=onepage&q=Cetacean%20societies%3A%20Group%20Living%20Connor&f=false
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