From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 65394
Date: 2009-11-10
>http://elephantvoices.wildlifedirect.org/files/2008/01/elephants-capable-of-vocal-learning-1822.pdf
> > I NEED TO COMPLE MYSELF because I think that this is the right direction:
> >
> > 1.- the humans were in that times grouped in small families
> > 2.- each family has a relative large territory under his ownership (in relation with his size)
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> > ==> so they were grouped, somehow, like the Lions Families are grouped today
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> > - but in contradiction with the strength of one Lion Family the Human Family has at that Moment in Time ====> SOME BIG ISSUES TO SURVIVE IN THIS ORGANIZATION
> >
> > -> either the food started to be rare and very hard to be procured by the force of a Single Family, either the natural enemies of the Humans in that areal, started to be so many and so strong that a Human Family cannot fight against them, by his own....even all these things happened together that is usually the case when the natural ressources started to miss in one areal......
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> > ==> SO THE SINGLE WAY FOR HUMANS TO SURVIVE IN THIS CONTEXT WAS TO ALLOW ONE FAMILY TO START TO COOPERATE WITH OTHER FAMILIES SITUATED IN DIFFERENT TERRITORIES.
> > ==> BUT BECAUSE OF THE TERRITORIAL ORGANIZATION->ISOLATION OF THESE FAMILIES A COMPLEX COMMUNICATION SYSTEM HAS BECOME REALLY NECESSARY TO APPEAR, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE COMMUNICATION ACROSS RELATIVELY LARGE DISTANCES, SO ACCROSS DIFFERENT TERRITORIES OWNED BY DIFFERENT FAMILIES
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> > THIS WAS THE NEED THAT REQUESTED THE APPEARENCE OF A VOCAL-LEARNING SYSTEM IN HUMANS
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> >
> > ---------------> It was a time of a mixed organization for Humans
> > a) the territory of a single Human Family was preserved and remained large
> > b) but the Humans Families needed to meet together, from time to time, finally in order to can survive --> this means --> in order to succeed in some delicate operations:
> > - hunting (maybe the humans became hunters only at this moment too: remember one FOXP2 mutation is shared with the Carnivores) and
> > - to can defend together against different natural enemies.
> >
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> I have just found this article that is in line with my above model:
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> http://www.biology-online.org/articles/elephants_imitate_sounds_form.html
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> "It is exciting to see that African savannah elephants follow a pattern we've seen in other terrestrial and aquatic species capable of vocal learning, "Tyack said. "Vocal learning should also occur in other species where long-lived social bonds are based on individual relationships and
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> "where members of a group separate and reunite over time."
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> SO WHERE THE HUMAN FAMILY OF THAT TIMES
> -- separate (on the Family Territorial Areal)
> and
> -- reunite (during the hunting and to fight against natural enemies) over time
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>
> Marius
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